As Kelton says, I expect it is because private landowners can limit numbers of hunters, and who goes where when. Public land you could end up with 100 people all hunting the same area on the same day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allizdog
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As Kelton says, I expect it is because private landowners can limit numbers of hunters, and who goes where when. Public land you could end up with 100 people all hunting the same area on the same day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allizdog
The PM said today that DOC land was closed for tramping under level 3. But I would not be surprised if that's incorrect.Quote:
Originally Posted by aetchell
It will be a "mistake" again . . .
A lot of river beds which are classed as Hydro waters,not Doc land, have deer on them.:thumbsup:
Noooooooooooooo.................................su rely not. The "Great One" um, ahh, um never makes mistakesQuote:
Originally Posted by Allizdog
Ok I just got this from COLFO. Now I do surggest that you read it twice before you make a comment!
It gives you a lot of answers! to the above aguments.
Dear Sideshow
"As you may have seen in the media, in the last few hours the Government has announced that hunting can resume under Level 3 with conditions.
In short, while this is a major U-turn from the Government, it’s still a mixed bag and a lot of people are going to be disappointed. We have yet to see the formal legal terms of the restriction. They’ll be what actually rules. This note is based on the media release.
At Level 3 hunting will be allowed but only on private land (with the landowner’s permission) and this must be within your region and bubble. Overnight trips are not allowed and hunting must be done on foot, excluding the use of helicopters, quad bikes and other motorised vehicles.
I have copied at the end of this email the Ministerial press release so you can work out from the horse's mouth what they might intend.
Before I go into our specific concerns, I want to stick my head out and thank NZDA, GAC, F&G and the ACT Party for their work behind the scenes over the last few weeks. I know there will never be a universal view on these matters, and many will be upset that this doesn't go far enough, but I can say with confidence that had it not been for all of their hard work behind the scenes, we would be facing an even longer lockdown on hunting – with no change under Level 3. Go back and read my email from just a week ago – when the message from Wellington was simply "hunting is banned under Level 3".
Remember too that the Government this afternoon promised Level 2 will see a full return to hunting as we know it.
But I admit that I’m gutted my balloted hunt is now cancelled, and while the news is certainly better than a total ban it seems arbitrary that hunting on DOC land is not allowed, but hunting in the private forestry block next door (with permission) is fine. If the Government was thinking solely in safety terms (and reducing animal pressure on the bush through winter) they would want hunting pressure more spread out.
I think it’s probably a reflection that tramping, camping, cycling etc in the DOC estate is still not allowed under Level 3, so they are trying to be consistent.
And for those who don’t have access to a private property for hunting, it feels like a raw deal. Many of those people would normally be filling up the freezer right now during the roar, so this announcement won't help them, so no wonder many are feeling excluded and unheard.
Duck shooters face a longer wait. Opening weekend will be the second Saturday after return to level 2. There are signals that the season will be extended to compensate
There is still one gaping hole though – and that is the status of ranges. I know that many hunters will need to head down to a range to sight in their firearms before they can safely head out. Their status is still unclear, so we’ll keep plugging away at that and keep you updated.
Stay safe."
"Nicole McKee"
Level 3 rules for hunting confirmed
23 APRIL 2020
HON GRANT ROBERTSON — Sport and Recreation
HON EUGENIE SAGE — Conservation
Hunters will be able to hunt on private land with special restrictions when New Zealand moves to COVID-19 Alert Level 3, but not on public conservation land, Sport and Recreation Minister Grant Robertson and Minister of Conservation Eugenie Sage announced today.
Hunting has not been allowed since New Zealand moved to Alert Level 4, but a shift to Level 3 next Tuesday morning will mean hunters can once again hunt locally - as long as they have the landholder’s permission and stick to the rules.
“We know that hunting is an important part of life for many New Zealanders, and in some cases a critical source of food. At Level 3 we also need to minimise the risk of losing the great progress we’ve made together in Alert Level 4 in stamping out the virus. We have to strike a balance, and that’s why these rules are designed to allow hunting in a limited way,” Grant Robertson said.
“Cabinet has agreed hunting on private land will be allowed under Alert Level 3, so long as hunters stay within their region and stick to their bubble. Hunting is only permitted on foot and overnight trips are not allowed. The use of quad bikes, off-road bikes, helicopters and other motorised vehicles is prohibited.”
Conservation Minister Eugenie Sage said hunting on public conservation land is not allowed until the time when there is a decision for New Zealand return to Alert Level 2.
“While many hunters may want to head to popular spots on public land to target the last stag of the roar, under Alert Level 3 hunting on public conservation land will remain off limits,” Eugenie Sage said.
“This helps with consistency across walking and mountain biking where people must stay local, rather than travelling to back country conservation land.
“The start of the duck hunting season is being postponed from Saturday 2 May to start on the second weekend after that date that is decided for when New Zealand moves to Alert Level 2. The season will also end later,” Eugenie Sage said.
“I know this is disappointing but for many duck hunters the social interaction around hunting is an important part of the activity, especially at opening weekend. The risks associated with groups of people coming together is too high.
“The two-week delay to the start of the season after a decision is made to move into Level 2 was determined in consultation with the New Zealand Fish and Game Council and I want to thank them for their constructive engagement with these decisions.
“All New Zealanders will still have an opportunity to hunt ducks, at the same time, once we return to Alert Level 2.
“We’re still encouraging New Zealanders to spend time in nature where possible if it’s local, but this is not the time to take up hunting as a new hobby or explore the back country and go on an overnight tramp. Use your common sense – stay local, stay safe,” Eugenie Sage said.
FAQ
I am so absolutely fucking cunted with this weasel-piss government I can't wait for the opportunity to vote them out
Slimeball spasmodic wank-stains the lot of them
Yep, she was wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cigar
This is from the DOC website:
“Under Alert Level 3 New Zealanders will be able to enjoy a little more of the great outdoors, but DOC’s campsites, huts and visitor centres will remain closed,” Mike Slater says.
Visitors can enjoy local DOC tracks, but overnight activities will not be permitted.
“We’re still encouraging New Zealanders to spend time in nature, but at Alert Level 3 there will be limitations – any outdoor activities should remain local, be limited to shorter local tracks around three hours, and visitors need to maintain two-metre physical distancing.”
What? !
Does that mean a day hunt on our public land administered by DoC is ok?
I understood Sage had stated DoC had disabled the petmit section of their website.
Have things changed already since their midday and 6pm "pronouncements and edicts"?
Colfo are wrong:
There have been no evidence of cycling being banned on public land, under level 4.Quote:
I think it’s probably a reflection that tramping, camping, cycling etc in the DOC estate is still not allowed under Level 3, so they are trying to be consistent.
Under level 3 the covid 19 website says:
Problem for the government is they can't keep their lies straightQuote:
Tramping is ok for day walks on easy trails, same for mountain biking if you are experienced and know the trail. Please be aware of maintaining two metres distance from other people.
No, hunting is not allowed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Woody
Tramping is allowed, despite the PM saying otherwise.
i think this is how i read it too ..... for the life of me i cant see the difference in risk between a hunter (or farmer)) on private land using a quad or ute to get to the far side of the property to hunt and a farmer on a quad going to the far side of his property to check on his herd. they look like they have set this up to placate a few duck shooters who can harvest some game meat under the new rules and so making them look inclusive to the uninformed non-hunting types out there. if i had a chunk of land that held deer or pig i would almost certainly be out there using whatever means , how can a government regulate your activity on your own land when its not an activity that has been legislated as illegal....Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyclops
its a crock of shit.
what i thought was funny was reading Stuffed article and the first sentence said something along the lines of the roar being postponed.......good on the stags for doing their bit for the covid response and deciding to social distance until the govt says its safe.......
but the PM has almost 3 years experience at prime minister and worked in a fish and chip shop once...... she knows better....... (sarcasm)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gamehunter
The PM gets all her hunting and fishing information from pillow talk...the person to target is whoever shares that pillow.
Your bang on @scotty their is no risk difference between the two . How ever one is essential one is not so their lays their thinking im pickingQuote:
Originally Posted by scotty
Couldnt travel apart from essentials @Dev and now can so long as its not to "far"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dev
...and 'far' will be defined by the same people who brought you their Select Committee law-writing then their-own-law-enforcing; your information leaked (multiple times) to criminals for profit; the people who actively encourage Hone Harawira & ilk to block the public roads, but who won't charge or even speak to roaming politicians who break the lockdown; and who sent 12 armed policemen to raid a family man with a newborn babe and toddlers at dinnertime about a Select Committee photo months old, but won't tackle armed gangmembers in their own back yards - but would rather take them to tea.
I'm sure that will work out just fine.
whats not essential to some is essential to others ....if ones priorities dont fall into line with the politbeaureau directives then one becomes a rule/law breaker this is our worldQuote:
Originally Posted by Kelton
although anyone who wants to tip over an animal on private land (with landowners permission) could get around the no quad rule by saying "im not hunting im doing pest control for the land owner"
Or if landowner is ok with it just use the quad. Who’s gonna find out if you don’t say anything [emoji850]. Mind you with this nark line....who knows....[emoji848]Quote:
Originally Posted by scotty
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If you don't post it on here or Bookface, who will know.Quote:
Originally Posted by tiroahunta
Sorry under the blanlet of essential work then . I hardly think its essential that we have to use a quad to go shot some meatQuote:
Originally Posted by scotty
The landowner facing conviction if theirs an accidentQuote:
Originally Posted by tetawa
[QUOTE=scotty;993794]whats not essential to some is essential to others ....if ones priorities dont fall into line with the politbeaureau directives then one becomes a rule/law breaker this is our world
although anyone who wants to tip over an animal on private land (with landowners permission) could get around the no quad rule by saying "im not hunting im doing pest control for the land
Aw I see you were doing pest control Mr....... who ever . Whats it like making a living as a pest control contractor? Aw your not? Their for your not working so you must be recreationally hunting?
Ive had a yarn with a cocky where I can hunt if I want. He's on the other side of the region and we have agreed that L2 sounds like the right time. L3 is risky for me for the travel and possible exposure to the bug, and its just another layer of responsibility for him if something did go wrong while I was hunting. It would not be fair of me to put him under the spot light. This is another layer of responsibility over and above H&S for the cockies. Best decision I think.
Has anyone actually seen what the “regions” are? They aren’t listed on the Covid - 19 website. Isn’t Wairarapa part of Wellington Regional Council?
Yes it is Stug. Im pretty sure its the regional council boundaries that apply. But there are the "stay at home" and "don't travel unnecessarily" messages too. It would be a long bow for me to travel right across the region to you know where.
Good on you Tahr. This is exactly the kind of rational, reasonable, responsible attitude that hunters need to demonstrate. And I think most of us if given half the chance would. Tell you what. When the coast is clear and the government and you deem it safe to travel and hunt in my area, I would like to invite you to join me for a hunt on one of my spots. I only do this on the public forum and not a private message as I know you have done this for others and think that this is the very essence of what this forum is. People helping each other. Looking forward to a hunt and a brew on the hill with you if you want to join me. Cheers
Yes you were allowed to travel, you were not allowed to travel to just “hunt” but you were aloud to “pest control”, farm work etc..Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelton
See where I’m coming from....?
Travel on your own farm or on the farm you work to do so but not from home if you live in town ? So i thought anyway .But level 3 anyone isolating in town can travel to a property in their region to hunt/shoot meat. What I take from it is if i got pulled up with a fire arm in level 4 im breaking the rules but in level 3 if I get pulled up with a firearm its ledgit so long as im in my region. Im not talking about joy rides with a firearm I mean on the way huntingQuote:
Originally Posted by Dev
Level 4 I thought was very clear stay home medical and food only more or less
Why should we be grateful for what we are "allowed"? FFS. What you think is not what we we should have to live by.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
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Originally Posted by Hiawatha
Why should "the government" decide our freedoms? FFS.
"Freedom" on ANZAC dsy even:sick: id say im pretty darn happy with the freedomQuote:
Originally Posted by sightpicture
Because the price of my freedom was not free . Great Uncle of mine buried in belgium might have a different view of hardship! 3 more weeks around home or 3 years on the westend front! pretty sure Im on the easy side of freedom.Quote:
Originally Posted by sightpicture
While I believe that is true re Wairarapa and Wgtn being in the same region someone amongst plod doesn't think so as there have been checkpoints on the Wgtn side of the Rimutakas this last weekendQuote:
Originally Posted by stug
L4Quote:
Originally Posted by 308
The words risk and essential fuck me off greatly. As the words alone cannot be blanketed across the populous to mean the same thing. Common sense has to apply or we're doomed. Those without common sense please stay indoors glued to the tele. Church with Cindy starts at...... 1pm daily TV1 ohhhh I mean week days?? The Gospel is spoken.
Most of my ancestors on my mother's and father's sides both, ended up in camps during that global unpleasantness. Few left again. They realised too late that a government big enough to run every aspect of your life is definitely in charge of your death as well as your life...Quote:
Originally Posted by hutrat
The Te Marua checkpoint has been operating on and off for most of the Level 4 period, especially weekends.Quote:
Originally Posted by 308
And I would imagine it will continue for level 3. Don't fancy my chances of getting through for a day walk at Waiohine etc :)
Covid map as of yesterday showing Wellington and Wairarapa. And showing exactly why regions need to be broken in to bite sized chunks and why people should not be coming over the hill (or in to any C19 free areas from areas where there are still cases) at the moment or have it left to individuals 'better judgement' as some bleaters keep banging on about. This is all about a champion team, not a team of champions to quote a well known rugby line. The Wairarapa as with some other smaller zones have been new covid case free for a bit. Hopefully the number of places like this increases too. If there is movement over the hill and an outbreak happens in Wellington again, then businesses in the Wairarapa could also potentially be forced back in to lockdown and many families will suffer accordingly when they didn't need to. My only concern is for people and families livelihoods and welfare at the moment. Its not for much longer. None of this post has anything to do with hunting and I would be suggesting the same to protect those in Wellington or wherever, if the numbers read the other way round too. I am unsure if we will remove it completely nationally, but the priority is getting people back to work and keeping them there. Not travelling too far to go hunting yet. Hang in there folks :)
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