Lots of hinds around, someone should shoot them.

Been sick so trolling through YouTube for videos. Came across this joker who seems to have a good channel. Started by watching his latest video and couldn’t finish it.

https://youtu.be/fNzACjbWRaA?si=qvRCDoOxBgQHSeVX

In the first 4 minutes he says:

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‘Seen 60 or 70 deer… (and only) three young stags… need to have a bit of a cull’

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‘Where’s the stags at?… seen about 60 hinds, which need to be shot…’

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‘After seeing 60 odd deer and (only) 3 stags… its always that tough point of, do you shoot a hind and scare a big stag’

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(They were walking for the first full day so wouldn’t have scared anything).

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‘We need to try and do out bit, take a couple of hinds, at some point’

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Maybe im just a bit quick to judge because of the manflu and definitely not trying to vilify the guy but he could probably do with some constructive public encouragement (comments) from other hunters to do his part in managing deers numbers.

Ask him hes on the forum:)

Ha, I started a PM on here asking for a general direction on where to find hinds in numbers like these for a blast-up, but didn't end up sending it. I'm not too motivated by big heads, so I'd be keen on a few days doing our bit on herd mgmt.

I did say I totally get the thinking around the massive investment in time/cost to get there, and how frustrating it would be to scare off a cracking stag for the sake of culling a few hinds out of a massive herd... so no dramas there for me.

with luck he will chime in and let us all know where these 60 hinds are..better be quick as due to start fawning any day now.

He actually posted that link on this forum last week. I think I might know where it is but not my place to say.

dead right Happy Jack..... thats just plain good manners

I'd imagine if my mates and I had spent possibly thousands of dollars and time off work to get in to a spot for a representative stag as the goal that shooting a few hinds in the interests of conservation wouldn't pass mustard. They were most likely not set up to "cull" animals.

When I saw the number of hinds on the video I drew the same conclusion that he did. They need to be managed. But when your back pack hunting your just not set up to do this.

He's always been ethical in how he displays his hunts and often about the animals he's turned down in other videos for the chance of a great stag.

I would never expect someone to reveal a spot publicly either. I'm sure those experienced in that region will know where it is.

Lots of animals in the Kaimai's, whereas deer used to be seen in one's and two's, they are now quite often seen in five's, the lockdowns stopped hunting and allowed the deer to breed, also a number of hunters who used to take 100 deer a year from the area are no longer hunting for various reasons...just this past week we had deer roaming around less than 100 metres from the house....the area also seems to have gone out of favour with hunters, I don't know the reason for this and can only surmise.

@DavidGunn Where is the Kaimais do you recommend access wise?

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Originally Posted by Happy Jack

He actually posted that link on this forum last week. I think I might know where it is but not my place to say.

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Same as you Happy Jack. Area looks familiar but it would be up to OP to state where. Sure enough the animals need thinning out and who's to say that he didn't at end of trip. Probably wouldn't be wise to put up video of culling, sure as eggs breaking when dropped, some 'Karen' would get offended at the 'waste'. No win situation either way.

If you watch the full video you’ll see a few cull hinds taken at the end. Bloody epic mission in mid winter.

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Originally Posted by Chur Bay

@DavidGunn Where is the Kaimais do you recommend access wise?

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Thompsons...Waikato side

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Originally Posted by Snoppernator

I'd imagine if my mates and I had spent possibly thousands of dollars and time off work to get in to a spot for a representative stag as the goal that shooting a few hinds in the interests of conservation wouldn't pass mustard. They were most likely not set up to "cull" animals.

When I saw the number of hinds on the video I drew the same conclusion that he did. They need to be managed. But when your back pack hunting your just not set up to do this.

He's always been ethical in how he displays his hunts and often about the animals he's turned down in other videos for the chance of a great stag.

I would never expect someone to reveal a spot publicly either. I'm sure those experienced in that region will know where it is.

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100% agree! A lot of time, money and sweat goes into discovering a good spot - takes one person of questionable morals/ethics, and nek minute there's tour buses rolling in there.

And yep, I love that his videos are ego-free/bullshit free compared to most. Keep 'em coming!

PS. Looking forward to the invevitable herd management vid!

there is reference to doing so (shooting hinds) at 23minute mark.....not shown but neither is the chammy being shot. neat country and some huge walks.... good on you,thats a stag well earnt.

As a hunter yet to take a deer (tally: 1 goat in a year, 3 deer spooked) the idea of needing to cull always makes me sad. I'm in it for the meat, not heads, so happy to cull hinds and carry out the meat. But I'd also not like someone to come into an area and clean out the few hinds I know are there.
Conflicted...

Identify your target beyond all doubt because you never miss (right?) and I'll be missed.

I know it’s been said on here before many times, so sorry to say it again.

There will be herds and opportunities like that from top to bottom in NZ.

All you need to do is get out there, and do the hard yards.
Which simply means walk a bit further than the average road end hunter, whose main hunting kit is a jacked up 4x4 and a slab of piss.
Get up before dawn, stay out on the hill until dark. Keep the wind in your face.
You will eventually find “your spot”

You will or sweat buckets with no result. But eventually you’ll hit pay dirt.

Plenty of good buggers on here will help in narrow down the where to start areas handy to your home turf. But the rest is on you.

His hunt, his choice. If the herd size bothers you so much, get out and do something about it.

Good video by the way!

It was an excellent video from a dedicated and hard out hunter. Each to their own.

If you wand to cull deer or see them in numbers walk up any track into the Ruahines. That would be a good start.

Yep this conversation again.Deer for Africa everywhere pretty much they are almost comparable to rabbits, this doesn't mean they are easier to hunt they still give ya the slip if you don't know what your doing.for example i bombed up a mob of 40-50 on my flats bordering the tararuas a month or so ago, got 8 for the meat for the next year or so, now I won't even care about shooting hinds for the next little while, id rather see them live than kill them for no reason.the rest didn't even run into the tararuas they went around me and into a river where I came from and ran down into the neighbours.i believe these deer weren't resident but district deer that move around the area.Point being shooting them isnt going to get on top of numbers,that mob is going to be 70 odd strong in the next few weeks.i don't know what the answer is apart from poisoning which im totally against.guys that have shot 100s of deer are usually the ones that have access or have worked super hard to find the numbers and don't really care about meat,they want a trophy.Anyone upset about this the only answer for you is get out there and find them for yourself,its hard yakka probably to hard for the majority but like anything of high value it comes at a price which in this case is time.

Yesmate..you have answered your own question...
to get on top of them,you need to shoot more,even if they are shot to waste.
and opening access for others to do so....is one way to do it.

Ah, time: the one resource that we can't get any more of, and can never know how much we actually have left.
My point was hearing comments about culling in vids is like saving up after working for minimum wage after school in a supermarket to buy an old Mitsi Mirage while a girl in your class gets given a brand new CRX VTEC by her parents.
You know you've earned your car and it's totally worth it, but it doesn't stop part of you really wanting a new CRX.
I've got some strong leads, a plan for the roar, and a keen wife so success will come.

Identify your target beyond all doubt because you never miss (right?) and I'll be missed.

Yea I guess but it would take a group effort of all the farmers/land owners in the area to say yep lets let randoms on to bomb the deer up.Otherise they just move to the safety of a near by area that doesn't have people pressuring them.also id say 75% of the landowners want numbers high for recreation for themselves, kids,family,income not all farmers want them gone.
I actually think most see the deer as an asset or big bonus when purchasing or running a farm.

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Ah, time: the one resource that we can't get any more of, and can never know how much we actually have left.
My point was hearing comments about culling in vids is like saving up after working for minimum wage after school in a supermarket to buy an old Mitsi Mirage while a girl in your class gets given a brand new CRX VTEC by her parents.
You know you've earned your car and it's totally worth it, but it doesn't stop part of you really wanting a new CRX.
I've got some strong leads, a plan for the roar, and a keen wife so success will come.

Identify your target beyond all doubt because you never miss (right?) and I'll be missed.

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Hi mate keep at it with identifying leads and such.a tip for you is this-Its a big deal for a land owner to offer hunting access,i am an electrician and I have asked a few farmers if I could go for a hunt on there place after a year or 2 of knowing them and doing work for them.youll soon figure out the politics of hunting on there place by chats with them.i often do small jobs and callouts for them for no charge and when they have asked about the invoice I have said no worries on that one as I appreciate the hunting access you give me.I prob only go for 1-3 hunts on there place a year so it doesn't become a situation of IOU.Just try and offer something in thanks to them that has value like your time or knowledge,dont say ill give ya some venison sausages ffs.

Good tip thanks

Identify your target beyond all doubt because you never miss (right?) and I'll be missed.

If anyone wants info on areas with high numbers of Sika hinds and stags send me a pm

There’s too many spots for me to sort them all

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Originally Posted by 7mmsaum

If anyone wants info on areas with high numbers of Sika hinds and stags send me a pm

There’s too many spots for me to sort them all

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mate..thats an awesome offer...bit far away for me, but Im sure others will snap it up.

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Originally Posted by 7mmsaum

If anyone wants info on areas with high numbers of Sika hinds and stags send me a pm

There’s too many spots for me to sort them all

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And fallow[emoji6]
But yes, as Tahr has said, the Ruahines are crawling with deer. As much as I struggle with shooting for the sake of it, the numbers are that high now we have to all do our part.
And burtonator keeps the vids coming I enjoy them mate.

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Cheers guys for the positive and negative comments/ thought's whatever they may be.
Firstly I’ll just say that no matter what you do you can’t keep everyone happy.

As stated in the video we were along way in and we were trophy hunting. I’m not spending thousands of dollars, time off work, etc etc to shoot hinds especially on the first day.
Its taken a lot of time and effort to sort out spots, figure out where the deer are at a specific time of year.
Doing km after km, looking over thousands of animals, leaving some cracker stags that were just too young in the hope you or another like minded hunter manages to find a truely mature public land stag.
You simply don't find them by culling a heap of hinds when you see them.

as shown in the video we culled some hinds at the end of the trip.

Cheers for the support guys and hope the vids inspire people to get out and do it :)

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If anyone wants info on areas with high numbers of Sika hinds and stags send me a pm

There’s too many spots for me to sort them all

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That's a great offer 7mmsaum, I might take you up on it one day. Cheers for that.

I think things need to be taken into consideration, this video was taken mid winter when red deer tend to mob up in suitable areas.

I always hate seeing mobs over 3-4 as it makes it so much harder hunting as there to meany eyes & noses & ear's to find you & spook but yes in alot places numbers are to high I can't remember the last time I was hunting on doc land & I didn't come home with at least one deer.