Thread: Minister of Conservation

Originally Posted by Carbine

public backlash (hunters mostly) nailed tharmeddon as far as im aware and a chopper trip for afew people to shoot 127 hinds instead of improving access to the region like i dont know getting the locked gate over the legal access route taken down so people can
access the region anytime and hunt and harvest all year round not just 1 bomb up and that should keep em happy. Access is key to controlling animal numbers no one is going to walk 20km+ just to shoot a meat animal or not many anyway. Money would be better
spent putting access into some of the spots with higher animal numbers instead we will just do the same shit oh hunters aren't shooting hinds so they breed up causing damage, 1080 drops every few years - rinse and repeat. DOC should own and run helicopters
and shooters and use where needed/necessary while employing 100's or 1000's of trappers, wardens, track cutters, hut builders etc get men back in the hills or even put a tally on deer tails would be better then what they currently do

Doc need alot more in funding to make a change and do something more then the shit they have been doing which isnt working as we are seeing, build tracks, huts, access roads into new regions hire 1000's of kiwis who would love to work outdoors in gods own
making it accessible and habitable(huts, tracks, toilets, campsites)

All you had to do to be in on that well organised cull you quoted was to go to your local nzda meeting. Are you a member?

Originally Posted by Tahr

All you had to do to be in on that well organised cull you quoted was to go to your local nzda meeting. Are you a member?

Nope have tried contacting Canty NZDA 3 times never received a reply about how to join

Originally Posted by Carbine

Nope have tried contacting Canty NZDA 3 times never received a reply about how to join

Seems a pretty common theme from some branches of the NZDA and creates the impression of a 'boys club'.
The cull in Lake Sumner RHA was inefficient and in today's language had a pretty big carbon footprint. A R22 and an experinced crew could have done the same thing in a couple of hours. The foot cull that went on won't work long term and should be done properly and efficiently from the start otherwise recreational hunters are setting themselves up to have egg on their face again.

Originally Posted by Puddleduk

Seems a pretty common theme from some branches of the NZDA and creates the impression of a 'boys club'.
The cull in Lake Sumner RHA was inefficient and in today's language had a pretty big carbon footprint. A R22 and an experinced crew could have done the same thing in a couple of hours. The foot cull that went on won't work long term and should be done properly and efficiently from the start otherwise recreational hunters are setting themselves up to have egg on their face again.

Was inefficient with a large carbon footprint?
As far as recreational hunting goes all fly in hunting trips will have a carbon footprint that is reasonably large. So what is the difference between flying in and shooting perhaps 1 trophy animal vs flying in and shooting every hind you see. Has the same carbon footprint but one has better outcomes for conservation.

So while you are at it you may as well get ahold of the Sika foundation and tell them their management hunts are inefficient and have a large carbon footprint.
You are clearly missing the whole point, at least with hunters taking the lead certain animals get targeted with little cost to the taxpayer.
You obviously have little idea how much it costs to get professional cullers in to do the job, I can assure you it isn't cheap.
I also don't think anyone is kidding themselves and genuinely believe recreational hunters can solely handle the situation. Hence why the likes of the Sika foundation are also getting a helicopter in to do culling as well followed by professional ground hunters.
The whole point is that hunters are trying and they are actively contributing, if you can't see that then it has obviously gone way over your head.

A lot of jet fuel was burnt to get those hunters in and out of there and it will take a lot more of those operations to sort the issue in there.
And I do know how much professional cullers cost, I was one for 14 years.I could ring a heli operator right now who would do the same job for $700 plus ammo/ hour. There is a couple more that would probably do it cheaper. Pretty simple, shoot hinds and hinds only and spread the effort over the entire RHA by not wiping out whole family groups. The RHA needs a lot more culled than what was shot, probably 500 odd but that's an educated guess.
And by the way it doesn't worry me how big or little the carbon footprint was it's just that some do get rather sensitive about sort of thing nowadays.

Originally Posted by Carbine

Nope have tried contacting Canty NZDA 3 times never received a reply about how to join

Since I moved South I pay my dues etc through Head Office. Much easier ... If you have any questions, contact us at membership@deerstalkers.org.nz or call at +64 4-499 6163.

Originally Posted by Carbine

Nope have tried contacting Canty NZDA 3 times never received a reply about how to join

I copied this off google. There is a phone number. Hope that works for you.

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NZDA Website says

Membership Peter Weusten 021 123 7934-nzdanthcantymembership@gmail.com

Might be an old contact

Originally Posted by Carbine

Nope have tried contacting Canty NZDA 3 times never received a reply about how to join

Took me a good 20 seconds to find...

https://nzdacanterbury.org/why-join/

Originally Posted by vulcannz

Took me a good 20 seconds to find...

https://nzdacanterbury.org/why-join/

sent emails and left phone messages none were replied to so they can stick it

Its 2022 to not be able to go to the website enter some details and do it online no hassles job done in 10 min is abit retarded in my books
shows how behind the times they are to be so ignorant/arrogant whatever the reason is

Originally Posted by Carbine

sent emails and left phone messages none were replied to so they can stick it

Its 2022 to not be able to go to the website enter some details and do it online no hassles job done in 10 min is abit retarded in my books
shows how behind the times they are to be so ignorant/arrogant whatever the reason is

Its neither ignorance or arrogance. Nor is it retarded. It is an organisation that depends heavily on branch members generously doing voluntary work in their own time. To the NZDA's credit they are modernising and centralising their systems. A visit to their National office would quickly convince you that they are not behind the times at all.

You persevering and making an effort to join your local branch would be a positive contribution to hunting in NZ.

Who did you contact.
Website says
Membership Peter Weusten 021 123 7934-nzdanthcantymembership@gmail.com

Did you ring that number. He is pretty good at replying.