Can't say I agree with your line of thinking. Stay safe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koshogi
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Can't say I agree with your line of thinking. Stay safe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koshogi
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For training and competency?
It's not my opinion, it training facts.
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Hey guys, great thoughts and ideas, in general. The answer lies not in practical field training, because the problem is with attitude.After discovering I was in the scope sights of at least 2 hunters in separate incidents while wearing green clothing, I've survived the last 30 years deerstalking by following these principles: I don't hunt in the roar any more, and I convince myself that every hunter in my hunting area is an idiot wandering around with his finger on the trigger of a loaded firearm while suffering from "buck fever", so I wear brightly coloured clothing in the bush.It doesn't affect my tallies, believe me. Deer are colour blind, they will smell you and hear you long before they will see you.
It is a tragedy people, but if there are more hunters, just as when there are high traffic volumes, there is more likelihood of a serious human or mechanical error. The old adages, "No meat is better than no mate" and "Identify your target beyond all doubt" have been around for years and years. The issues of human error, carelessness, panic and hallucination need to be drummed into all firearms owners, and hunters heads. This is done remorselessly in magazines, hunter training courses, gun clubs, etc, but people do forget discipline at critical times, especially under stress / excitement / fatigue and related moods. I really don't know what else can be done except perhaps to ensure the reminders are placed in front of most hunters at entry points. Such points would be at helipads, sports shops, ranges, road entrances to hunting grounds and possibly even on billboards on highways so that the reminders are always visible, and more so in proximity to hunting ground access points. Such signs could be large and obvious, and funding could be shared by several groups including government, police, hunting associations , sports retailers and wholesalers, and especially hunting access services such as aircraft and boat operators. Perhaps a levy to partially finance these reminder signposts and billboards could be applied to every firearms sold by shops or trademe. Marketing relies up[on repeated and repeated and follow up after follow up of advertising in order to be effective; and it may just be that the hunting safety issue is lacking in these necessary constant and prominent advertising reminders.
My 2 cents worth
Stuff your levies.
Once again, why should a target shooter pay for a safety issue that has nothing to do with his sport.
This is a hunting issue. Not a firearms issue.
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Because he or she is a part of the firearms owning fraternity and should take some responsibility as well.
That's like saying that if one of my neighbours crashes his car pissed every weekend, and my other neighbour smashes his up at the racetrack every other race meet, we should all pay the same insurance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Woody
Are you responsible for other road users?Quote:
Originally Posted by Woody
Of course not.
Do I have an interest in reducing the incident rate for overall firearm incidents? Yes
Do I support another levy (see Tax) on my purchases? HELL NO
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I don't believe that everyone can be trained to an acceptable level of safety when hunting. There's too many people who CAN'T identity their target correctly. They're trying but they just aren't able to. Sharks occasionally misidentify people and they've been hunting for millions of years. Has anyone suggested that sharks can simply be trained out of killing surfers??? The only wisdom I'm taking from this thread is to obtain during the roar.
Woody I think that you hit the nail on the head here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Woody
In relation to the stress of the situation.
Also could put those signs up in huts as well.
Not sure if you said that.
For the rest of us. Just think of having to tell someone's family that YOU have just taken there loved one from them because you did not identify you target or firing zone. Put your self in those shoes before you pick up a gun every time!
Us speculators are always speculating!
Once a year hunter? That's the reason I do pre roar or post roar trips. Take care out there. My prayers to family and friends.
We all pay taxes for the common good; for instance health care in hospital. We all pay rates for the common good; for instance the town hall , library and footpaths, street lighting and local parks and reserves.
Furthermore, just about EVERY boat ramp (which is the entry point for fishermen to HUNT FISH) has marine safety reminders as well as fishing regulations. Why not apply the same logic to entry points to hunting areas?
Tommy and Koshogi and DEAD is Better, you need to think before you write negative short sighted comments.
You should think before you compose your sentences. So that people can comprehend your comments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Woody
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@Woody just because you have a differing opinion doesn't mean it's right or other's are short sighted for not having the same view.
It's still only just that, an opinion.
At the end of the day the sad truth is no matter how shit it is this will continue to happen regardless of what they try to implement. Just do all you can to avoid being a statistic at either end.
Best of luck to all and stay safe.
I think you would be pissing into the wind expecting a hunter to stick to a set area, at this time of the year when the " out there doing it" brigade arrive many have no respect or don't give a toss if someone is already parked or camped at a track end, they just carry on with their intensions without any thought or consideration to other hunters.Quote:
Originally Posted by deadidick
Yup, like with all similar legislation/rules/ideas it would only stop the responsable ones, as they are the only ones that follow it/them.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetawa
Latest info from police......
"Police warn on hunting safety"
Police have released a photo of a fatal hunting scene in a bid to illustrate how easy it is for hunting accidents to happen.
Danny Rion Jordan, 23, was shot accidentally yesterday when he was shooting in the Ruahine Ranges with two Army friends. Mr Jordan was shot by another hunter who was not part of his hunting group.
Detective Sergeant Jason Crowe said Mr Jordan was shot as he and his two friends were sitting on the Sparrowhawk bivouac walking track, taking a break from their tramp into their hunting area.
While most hunting accidents occurred in heavy bush or rugged terrain, this one was different in that it occurred in open bush on a DOC track used to access the Ruahine Ranges.
“The shooting is an example of what can happen when firearms safety rules are not followed and hunters don’t identify their targets properly,” Mr Crowe said.
Police are urging all hunters to exercise extreme caution when in the bush and not to get carried away by the start of the new hunting season.
“Don’t let the excitement of the roar affect your ability to make the right safety decisions. As this case illustrates, a small mistake can have fatal consequences.”
There are seven basic rules covered in the Firearms Safety Code that hunters should abide by, including identifying your target properly and handling firearms safely.
“We can’t stress enough the importance of these rules and urge anyone using firearms to follow them to the letter,” Mr Crowe said.
The police investigation into the incident is ongoing.
Yea I recon you be right. I was thinking about it today. How many times have you been up the bush with intentions of doing this that dropping into the right side and arrived seen some better sign and better conditions to drop off the left side because it was a better hunting option.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetawa
I guess if you knew there where say three parties in the area you would be having second thoughts. Not everyone would be on the web site I guess. I liked the idea of hanging a tab at entrances to inform others. But they may not be full proof as there could be a number of entry points, or methods to arrive at the site.
There was a few good ideas I thought on the various threads, but no silver bullet. even if we implemented all the ideas there is all ways human error.
@Dundee, do you know where we can find the photo they refer to?
So police think orange blaze is dangerous?
Still hoping the dog is doing alright.
You do know how to post a link right?
The poor bastard was shot whilst having a breather on the track!!! beggars belief. RIP
Who is that one aimed at ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jexla
Hopefully a deer.Quote:
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I have a feeling that the fact the poor guy was on a tramping track at the time, may prove to be a game changer for all of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathan F
I see some people calling for a hunters test, here's my opinion on that, I have taken clients out in the UK who have past hunting tests in France , Germany and the UK DSC , some were dangerous , the Germans who have the strictest test, felt the need to shoot at moving targets, what they all had in common, was they didn't, hunt often.
I have hunted in the USA , where 15 experienced hunters with .22 rifles, were hunting squirrels in a 50 acre block and never felt safer.
Can you help me out here and connect the dots in your statement. What's your bottom line?Quote:
Originally Posted by Taff
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That's dead right. Unbelievable. My wife and I did a 16 km loop on Wednesday on doc land. Just a fitness walk but it makes you wonder. If there are guys out there who are prepared to pull the trigger on the track at an unidentified target ......Quote:
Originally Posted by Pengy
Scary
Me too bro, and that's a healthy way to be I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feral
The crux is in the decision making process. For me, I am fearful enough of the consequences that I question myself before squeezing the trigger. Almost to the point of being over the top. "Looks like a deer... Why is it looking at me and not moving... It might not be a deer. Body, colour, neck, head... Why isnt it moving...look away, look back. That's its face, eyes are blinking, it's eating... Four legs. It's a deer...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommy
Frankly I'd far rather be shot myself than live with the burden of shooting an innocent man; a fellow hunter.
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It's been spoken about on tramping forums
Shot when resting on DOC track | The campfire | Forums
Hate to say it but it is right up there with shooting the women in the head who was brushing her teeth with a headlamp on at a doc campground. Whilst illegally spotlighting.
I've seen a few tramping-oriented threads regarding this, and they all seem to follow the same anti-hunting-in-OUR-forests and lock-him-up-throw-away-the-key attitudes.
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Yeah and they probably have some valid points with this sort of crap going on. The tragedy aside it's just fucking embarrassing.
In the meantime we try to put up our own sign in the most prominent place we can - just a reminder should someone else be passing through that on that day there is someone else (us) somewhere "out there". Any reduction in a negative outcome however small the possibility has to be a good thing.
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Good little reminder alright @Puffin. Surely that has got to make the next hunter up the track sharpen up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Puffin
Thats my favourite rest stop at that tree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Puffin
@Puffin, cannot read it, what does your sign say there mate?
HUNTING
IN THIS AREA TODAY
LOOKS LIKE A DEER ?
COULD BE US !
NOISE ?
MAYBE US !
BE SURE. SEE THE WHOLE ANIMAL
.... as a reminder right there at the start of a hunt confirming things that should otherwise be assumed, so anything along these lines would serve the purpose.
I have reservations about bush stalking though and the compatibility with the 'see the whole animal' clause will mean opportunities regularly have to be passed up if used to try to combat cognitive bias.
