Thread: People very sick after eating wild pig

Originally Posted by Carlsen Highway

Well, a fool I may be. But considering no one on here is a goddamn doctor, I will go with the opinion of people who are for the time being, until I get my own PHD sorted out.
And you just have to listen to some of these anti-1080 people sometimes and you realise that you really wouldnt want to be roped to them if you were mountain climbing.

If you put your faith entirely in doctors then you've got some hard times in your future. Doctors are people just like the rest of us, they are open to mistakes and other influences. You also seem to be hung up on the anti-1080 thing, I and others have noted it doesn't sound like 1080.

It doesn't take a PHD to look at the symptoms and processes that happen with botulism toxin. It takes time to kick in, if those people ingested it from a meal it would have to have been one from a day or so earlier. If that were the case then you would expect the symptoms for each adult to kick in over a more diverse period of time. In this case the 3 adults came down ill simultaneously - which would indicate it came from that recent meal.

Here's a tip from an old fella, question doctors. It may save your life one day. I just had a work colleague diagnosed with an ailment by NZ doctors (cancer related), their option was surgery - nothing else. She hold dual citizenship, so she went back to her original country and the doctors there told here no it was easily dealt with with localized radiation treatment. She got 3 different opinions. She's back in NZ now all cleared up.

When a doctor says "we're only checking for botulism" that tells me they've already made up their mind. They have made an assumption, not a diagnosis.

Originally Posted by vulcannz

If you put your faith entirely in doctors then you've got some hard times in your future. Doctors are people just like the rest of us, they are open to mistakes and other influences. You also seem to be hung up on the anti-1080 thing, I and others have noted it doesn't sound like 1080.

It doesn't take a PHD to look at the symptoms and processes that happen with botulism toxin. It takes time to kick in, if those people ingested it from a meal it would have to have been one from a day or so earlier. If that were the case then you would expect the symptoms for each adult to kick in over a more diverse period of time. In this case the 3 adults came down ill simultaneously - which would indicate it came from that recent meal.

Here's a tip from an old fella, question doctors. It may save your life one day. I just had a work colleague diagnosed with an ailment by NZ doctors (cancer related), their option was surgery - nothing else. She hold dual citizenship, so she went back to her original country and the doctors there told here no it was easily dealt with with localized radiation treatment. She got 3 different opinions. She's back in NZ now all cleared up.

When a doctor says "we're only checking for botulism" that tells me they've already made up their mind. They have made an assumption, not a diagnosis.

Maybe. But in this "pig" case internet jockeys are attempting to make a diagnosis with incomplete, subjective or imagined information. The Dr's are making it with all of the information to hand and on the back of specialised medical diagnostic training, at least four years of intense studies and the considered opinions of colleagues and specialists. I know who I would put my faith in.

Originally Posted by vulcannz

If you put your faith entirely in doctors then you've got some hard times in your future. Doctors are people just like the rest of us, they are open to mistakes and other influences. You also seem to be hung up on the anti-1080 thing, I and others have noted it doesn't sound like 1080.

It doesn't take a PHD to look at the symptoms and processes that happen with botulism toxin. It takes time to kick in, if those people ingested it from a meal it would have to have been one from a day or so earlier. If that were the case then you would expect the symptoms for each adult to kick in over a more diverse period of time. In this case the 3 adults came down ill simultaneously - which would indicate it came from that recent meal.

Here's a tip from an old fella, question doctors. It may save your life one day. I just had a work colleague diagnosed with an ailment by NZ doctors (cancer related), their option was surgery - nothing else. She hold dual citizenship, so she went back to her original country and the doctors there told here no it was easily dealt with with localized radiation treatment. She got 3 different opinions. She's back in NZ now all cleared up.

When a doctor says "we're only checking for botulism" that tells me they've already made up their mind. They have made an assumption, not a diagnosis.

You may be right. But I question internet characters with strong opinions that are based on nothing at all, before a doctor.

Originally Posted by Carlsen Highway

You may be right. But I question internet characters with strong opinions that are based on nothing at all, before a doctor.

if youre taking a pot at me carlsen -i dont give a fat rats arse.my credentials are well known on this forum and i tell it how i sees it .
as started Is it not curious no one else was poisoned by eating this particular pig IIRC 3hunters actually secured the bloody thing.
secondly Isnt it curious that this by all accounts seems a one off .given the extreme popularity of pig hunting as a national pastime,I'd have expected to hear more reports of apparent botulism in pig hunters or dogs over the years .dunno about you but myaself im an avid reader and conversationalist and all the info ive gained on pig hunting has never mentioned botulism.ive read of cases where porcine TBwas suspected so carcasses were discarde(often characteriased by nodules of tumours attached to vital organs.
BTW beofre I go -to all you cynics and doubters re doctors -if you dont like medicos ,try it out for yourselves -walk a mile in our shoes.
believe me not a day goes past when i dont smile at at least one knowall pain in the arse,or stand there mute as a some knowall demanding petulant wee arsehole gives me an illfounded or unwarranted spray.some of you would have no bloody idea the filthy abuse thats hurled at us or the actual physical violence we suffer .
no we dont reply with taser or pepperspray ,nor sidearm ,though its fucking tempting!
wht do you think this country has a shortage of Drs and nurses.
Nuff fucking said

Originally Posted by kotuku

if youre taking a pot at me carlsen -i dont give a fat rats arse.my credentials are well known on this forum and i tell it how i sees it .
as started Is it not curious no one else was poisoned by eating this particular pig IIRC 3hunters actually secured the bloody thing.
secondly Isnt it curious that this by all accounts seems a one off .given the extreme popularity of pig hunting as a national pastime,I'd have expected to hear more reports of apparent botulism in pig hunters or dogs over the years .dunno about you but myaself im an avid reader and conversationalist and all the info ive gained on pig hunting has never mentioned botulism.ive read of cases where porcine TBwas suspected so carcasses were discarde(often characteriased by nodules of tumours attached to vital organs.
BTW beofre I go -to all you cynics and doubters re doctors -if you dont like medicos ,try it out for yourselves -walk a mile in our shoes.
believe me not a day goes past when i dont smile at at least one knowall pain in the arse,or stand there mute as a some knowall demanding petulant wee arsehole gives me an illfounded or unwarranted spray.some of you would have no bloody idea the filthy abuse thats hurled at us or the actual physical violence we suffer .
no we dont reply with taser or pepperspray ,nor sidearm ,though its fucking tempting!
wht do you think this country has a shortage of Drs and nurses.
Nuff fucking said

No, I was commenting to Vulcannz. His post is quoted within mine.