Thread: Peter Dunne bags heli-hunting

I dont think HH thar has any effect on Venison recovery. Thar do wise up in a hurry, however. I have witnessed boths side of that scenario.
Flying around, so some fat fuck can get a trophy he can go home and wank himself over, is really not the issue. There is a greater picture at stake. People that do not believe AATH does anything for numbers are kidding themselves. The client in some situations, gets to shoot another 5 animals for every bull taken. Couple that with poor managment and DOC culling of thar, long term, animal numbers and trophy quality will really suffer.


I think AATH can work for everyone but it just needs to be managed properly. Ballot blocks must be off the AATH table for a start. There is plenty of thar outside them. The ballot areas are getting pounded. Doc are loving it.

I was thinkin of deer specificly .
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Originally Posted by veitnamcam

I was thinkin of deer specificly .
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Deer do get "chopper wise" mate, no doubt about it. When they are wise, you have to change tactics even in a machine. Areas with good open country, to bush ratio, like the west coast will never get hunted out by machines.
Places like N canterbury and Nelson can be thinned out over time quite easily. Red deer are pigs and need quality food. They are easiest in the morning when they have a full guts. They are lazy, not alert and dont run fast. Totally different animal on evening.

Originally Posted by R93

Deer do get "chopper wise" mate, no doubt about it. When they are wise, you have to change tactics even in a machine. Areas with good open country, to bush ratio, like the west coast will never get hunted out by machines.
Places like N canterbury and Nelson can be thinned out over time quite easily. Red deer are pigs and need quality food. They are easiest in the morning when they have a full guts. They are lazy, not alert and dont run fast. Totally different animal on evening.

As i thought. So the aath could have a affect(even if slight) on the effectiveness of waro.

The chops do certainly give em a hiding up here at times but will never clean em out.
Just have to hunt the bush.

Even if was poisoned relentlessly and chopper culled there will always be deer in nelson. Not high numbers but they will be there.
To many small holders are pro deer and can, will,and do release after poison .
When will the powers that be realise the vast majority of nzers like deer in there hills mountains and bush.

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Originally Posted by veitnamcam

When will the powers that be realise the vast majority of nzers like deer in there hills mountains and bush.

I don't know but when ever it is will not be soon enough.

Originally Posted by Rushy

I don't know but when ever it is will not be soon enough.

Here here...........

Originally Posted by Rushy

I don't know but when ever it is will not be soon enough.

The kicker is when trampers and other bush users (can't think of any offhand) see them they love it. The only ones anti deer is doc. How fucked up is that?

PS: And a lot in doc like having the deer to............

Ill agree 100% with what R93 is trying to say,for my own understanding.were most/some of the heli hunting happens thats contracted out from doc is in places were most but not all hunters get two so deer are high and can do some damage.before i was lucky enough to see firsthand id seen footage of heli hunting and the footage only shows the kills!! so I asumed they shoot everything in sight.I was to be proven wrong in the area and crew i met with,they flew into their area and in that time they seen 45 deer and took 20 and they told me thats there normal operating procedure.I cant see this as a problem if this is how its done elsewere.the pilot is a good onest bugger and I take his word for it.

Originally Posted by Neckshot

Ill agree 100% with what R93 is trying to say,for my own understanding.were most/some of the heli hunting happens thats contracted out from doc is in places were most but not all hunters get two so deer are high and can do some damage.before i was lucky enough to see firsthand id seen footage of heli hunting and the footage only shows the kills!! so I asumed they shoot everything in sight.I was to be proven wrong in the area and crew i met with,they flew into their area and in that time they seen 45 deer and took 20 and they told me thats there normal operating procedure.I cant see this as a problem if this is how its done elsewere.the pilot is a good onest bugger and I take his word for it.

You talking about waro their neckshot? aath and waro are very different

how differnt and wasnt dunn bagging waro and people have confussed it with heli hunting

pretty sure dunne is against aath not waro. meh dont really care to be honest.

yea hes anti waro but thats politics and like you I dont give a shit,we all have to pay the mortgage thats all il say on the issue.just read another thread and im eating my foot now to keep onest should have read it.

yea hes anti waro but thats politics and like you I dont give a shit,we all have to pay the mortgage thats all il say on the issue.

Originally Posted by Neckshot

yea hes anti waro but thats politics and like you I dont give a shit,we all have to pay the mortgage thats all il say on the issue.

You should, cause they are doing waro illegally in places and doc knows about it well and truly. That on it's own is fucked.
The reason to do the illegal runs? Easy deer, short runs (bigger profit) the ones that if you load a pack up you can be into in 3-8 hours, whereas the machine takes about three minutes from the hanger.

20! Fark i thought they just shot the one 350 Douglas stag after chasing it round til it collapses

Joking, while this has been promoted as a reason to get rid of it i don't believe this is how the bulk operate even if a few do.
R93?

What i was getting at earlyer is that while the chopper may make just as much or more likely more flying fat pricks onto trophy animals (R 93 is that fair comment cos i really don't know)than performing waro operations if your flying after trophy animals you can't be shooting and recovering Bugger all of animals seen.

Waro in my opinion is the most humane most practical control measure for remote tops areas.
But it needs to be managed, it seams to be feast or famine depending on meat prices and animal numbers.
And Imho there areas need to be tightly controled and policed .
Its our resource like our fisherys or anything else.

So if your chasing a lot of animals round in order to get a client a trophy that are not shot you are educating them and hence more difficult to harvest in a waro sense.
You need animals to have trophys if they are not controlled they will get the green rain regardless of all the native by kill because that's what our "conservation" wing is legally required to do.

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