Thread: Peter Dunne bags heli-hunting

I was thinkin of deer specificly .
One track mind

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Originally Posted by veitnamcam

I was thinkin of deer specificly .
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Deer do get "chopper wise" mate, no doubt about it. When they are wise, you have to change tactics even in a machine. Areas with good open country, to bush ratio, like the west coast will never get hunted out by machines.
Places like N canterbury and Nelson can be thinned out over time quite easily. Red deer are pigs and need quality food. They are easiest in the morning when they have a full guts. They are lazy, not alert and dont run fast. Totally different animal on evening.

Originally Posted by R93

Deer do get "chopper wise" mate, no doubt about it. When they are wise, you have to change tactics even in a machine. Areas with good open country, to bush ratio, like the west coast will never get hunted out by machines.
Places like N canterbury and Nelson can be thinned out over time quite easily. Red deer are pigs and need quality food. They are easiest in the morning when they have a full guts. They are lazy, not alert and dont run fast. Totally different animal on evening.

As i thought. So the aath could have a affect(even if slight) on the effectiveness of waro.

The chops do certainly give em a hiding up here at times but will never clean em out.
Just have to hunt the bush.

Even if was poisoned relentlessly and chopper culled there will always be deer in nelson. Not high numbers but they will be there.
To many small holders are pro deer and can, will,and do release after poison .
When will the powers that be realise the vast majority of nzers like deer in there hills mountains and bush.

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Originally Posted by veitnamcam

When will the powers that be realise the vast majority of nzers like deer in there hills mountains and bush.

I don't know but when ever it is will not be soon enough.

Originally Posted by Rushy

I don't know but when ever it is will not be soon enough.

Here here...........

Originally Posted by Rushy

I don't know but when ever it is will not be soon enough.

The kicker is when trampers and other bush users (can't think of any offhand) see them they love it. The only ones anti deer is doc. How fucked up is that?

PS: And a lot in doc like having the deer to............

Ill agree 100% with what R93 is trying to say,for my own understanding.were most/some of the heli hunting happens thats contracted out from doc is in places were most but not all hunters get two so deer are high and can do some damage.before i was lucky enough to see firsthand id seen footage of heli hunting and the footage only shows the kills!! so I asumed they shoot everything in sight.I was to be proven wrong in the area and crew i met with,they flew into their area and in that time they seen 45 deer and took 20 and they told me thats there normal operating procedure.I cant see this as a problem if this is how its done elsewere.the pilot is a good onest bugger and I take his word for it.

Originally Posted by Neckshot

Ill agree 100% with what R93 is trying to say,for my own understanding.were most/some of the heli hunting happens thats contracted out from doc is in places were most but not all hunters get two so deer are high and can do some damage.before i was lucky enough to see firsthand id seen footage of heli hunting and the footage only shows the kills!! so I asumed they shoot everything in sight.I was to be proven wrong in the area and crew i met with,they flew into their area and in that time they seen 45 deer and took 20 and they told me thats there normal operating procedure.I cant see this as a problem if this is how its done elsewere.the pilot is a good onest bugger and I take his word for it.

You talking about waro their neckshot? aath and waro are very different

how differnt and wasnt dunn bagging waro and people have confussed it with heli hunting

pretty sure dunne is against aath not waro. meh dont really care to be honest.

yea hes anti waro but thats politics and like you I dont give a shit,we all have to pay the mortgage thats all il say on the issue.

yea hes anti waro but thats politics and like you I dont give a shit,we all have to pay the mortgage thats all il say on the issue.just read another thread and im eating my foot now to keep onest should have read it.

20! Fark i thought they just shot the one 350 Douglas stag after chasing it round til it collapses

Joking, while this has been promoted as a reason to get rid of it i don't believe this is how the bulk operate even if a few do.
R93?

What i was getting at earlyer is that while the chopper may make just as much or more likely more flying fat pricks onto trophy animals (R 93 is that fair comment cos i really don't know)than performing waro operations if your flying after trophy animals you can't be shooting and recovering Bugger all of animals seen.

Waro in my opinion is the most humane most practical control measure for remote tops areas.
But it needs to be managed, it seams to be feast or famine depending on meat prices and animal numbers.
And Imho there areas need to be tightly controled and policed .
Its our resource like our fisherys or anything else.

So if your chasing a lot of animals round in order to get a client a trophy that are not shot you are educating them and hence more difficult to harvest in a waro sense.
You need animals to have trophys if they are not controlled they will get the green rain regardless of all the native by kill because that's what our "conservation" wing is legally required to do.

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yes your right,problem is its gonna cost a fuckload to police choppers ,if you have boundrys how would you police them check their gps? they can just flick it off and back on again.get an official to ride shotgun? cant do that either in r44's and r22's .There was a trophy hunting action that got some pollys fumming this info was given to me secong hand and probably well known, about a crew shooting trophy tahr in the ass to slow them down for clients I wouldnt think this is common practice but you can see why heli hunting is in the spotlight imo.correct me if im wrong.

AATH is designed around thar and chamois.
That's not saying some greedy bugger wouldn't offer a trophy stag to a client if seen while out and about.
I wouldn't as I would save it for myself or a mate. Hasn't worked yet considering how many I have seen but Ha Ha
Dunne is trying to stop HH of thar and chams. Waro is wild animal recovery ops and these days apart from a rare order, doesn't involve thar or chams.
HH opposed to waro does make more money than venison for hours flown and logistics required, yet it is seasonal and harder flying, where venison isn't to such a degree.
I still think AATH should continue in some well managed form even though it repulses me.
If it doesn't, those animals will suffer far worse than what some fat yank or euro can ever do to them.

Hazing is a thing of the past by law and tbh it is way easier on everyone to have the client shoot from the machine.
Most blokes I know prefer it that way.






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