These guys.
I just wish they would do some research before they headed over.
https://www.facebook.com/1220593488/...26590232843401
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These guys.
I just wish they would do some research before they headed over.
https://www.facebook.com/1220593488/...26590232843401
Its amazing what you can see and find from the comfort of a seat in a helicopter eh!
Could be mistaken but pretty sure that guy has a few sketchy dealings in NZ that ended up in the courts a few years back.....Wonder if the heli company got paid
so long as some one is making money from these buggers in NZ but its the down side no one hears much about - access for us Kiwi hunters cut of by unscrupulous land owners pandering to these buggers - hazing thar and chamois then put out into public arena and gives us all a bad name - videos of mobs of Thar and Chamois deer taken on safari blocks and then shown to public how over run our back country is with those horrible pest animals - if they watched some of the hunting videos put out by the Duleys for example I am constantly surprised by how few animals they see in places - nothing much we can do about the safari trade except point out its not our kiwi way at all
You do need too remember that guided hunting is the norm for a lot of those guys
We are the weird ones.
We don't have tags, seasons or limits on our big game animals.
They are talking to their own people anyway
We live in a Target Rich environment and most of those guys simply wouldn't understand what we do and how we do it.
Not just tourists. I've had an old school mate, from generational wealth. He has a really nice big 14 point red head sitting on his wall, he's proud as punch about it. His 1st and only stag, he was driven around on a southern safari block.... I'm not too sure he's spent a hard day slogging through the bush chasing deer before in his life. But he must have spent some money on that head.
People like this don't understand what its like to go hunting, or the joys of just being out in the bush. I'd take a day of bleeding, sweating and cursing my way in the bush and sleeping in a tent listening to the animals. Over staying in a lodge with a private chef and being driven or helicoptered about to find the animal an owner has selected from their catalogue.
The only good thing about it is the overseas dollars coming into the country.
yes how many of us would put an easily taken safari head on the wall especially one of those 25+ point monstrosity's and then skite about it - not many - but that is what makes us Kiwi hunters
Paying for a 25+pointer,alot on diesel money to go hunting.Bugger that.
some of the prices one could fly in and take a few beers to-and fly some decent quantity of meat out - I have heard of $30,000 but that could have been their all up costs dont know
Another aspect to hunting in alot of countries is sleazing up to land owners / forest managers. It's pretty filthy but in my opinion the influencer crowd are the worst at it.Google earth research and promising swag to people who share their spots.
30K is s pittance to some of these guys, they sometimes have personal chefs flown in etc
Quadruple that twenty years ago ...goes on number of inches once gets past certain size/ quality....or so I'm told.deep pockets,the client gets what he wants.... Whore hunting I think of it as. Not a hell of a lot of difference,you pay the dollars and you get the end result. The more you pay,the more you get.....or so I'm told. Never seen the need to waste my hard earned dollars in either way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry the hunter
A good analogy, that's the way I look at it, but I don't mind paying for it (hunting I mean!). I'm going to be paying for it one way or another, whether it's in time, diesel, helicopter fees or whatever. Just like that other aspect of life you have mentioned!Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
25 years ago it used to be a grand a point. And that's just for the head. Every little thing you could think of was on top of that.
It really amuses me how these sorta guys egos work, money buys a lot of satisfaction . . . . Maybe?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/cri...rom-US-chargesQuote:
Originally Posted by Puddleduk
Yep judge zorab definitely got that one wrong. The bit about Kaiser running out the back door laughing really got my hackles up when I read it a few weeks ago!!Quote:
Originally Posted by oneipete
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It's not just yanks, plenty of Aussie cashed up hunters do it also. Every time we have been in the Whataroa recently, there have been heli trophy hunters beating the area around us. It's rife. Most definitely should be outlawed.
Agreed, I saved and skimped to do an Ibex Hunt in Kyrgyzistan.The other 3 guys I went with flew Business class all the way. Their air tickets literally cost more than my entire trip. They were hunting Agali also. I think their hunt cost 25K US for the Agali and Ibex, which is pretty cheap. By the time they got back to Aus you could pretty much double that in what was spent, if you include tips, air tickets etc..
Wasn't everyone saying on another thread that we are all hunters, shouldn't judge and create division etc... :P
No, I don't get it either, I would genuinely choose to hunt goats in miserable Northland jungle than farmed stags in a fenced area.
Shit like that might be controversial but still legal ,reminds me of Dairy farming honestly.
Dairy farmers back bone on NZ get undeserved bad wrap from the greenies kept NZ going thru covid- I visit hundreds of farms in hay silage season and drive all over them only seen one that was bad example and sure enough in local paper fined for effluent pond leaking after a number of warnings - owned by accountants - basically all of the farms now have creeks fenced of and running clean - if you want to pick on an industry then so called free range chook farms - letting 1000 chooks into a half acre paddock of dirt is not to me free range and yet they get away with it but then how much do you want to pay for cackle berrys with ya bacon for brekkie
What the fuck are you on about Barry?Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry the hunter
Shit like that might be controversial but still legal ,reminds me of Dairy farming honestly.
people blagging dairy farmers they dont derserve it bloody hard working honest people having to put up with all the hoops of beauacracy
I understood him perfectlyQuote:
Originally Posted by norsk
I saw a real estate article recently about how nz real estate is being listed on a US website that caters to hunters mostly wealthy. they recon these guys spend an averge of $200000 per year on hunting , so buying a block here or coming over and shooting safari animals is nothing, we will be seeing more and more of it. as long as they stick to game parks i dont care as its good income for the country , but that AATH hunting in public land where us kiwis are not allowed to land in a chopper is just Bullshit.
Is that really the case, or is it a question of having enough $$$? Not that I have the $$$, just interested.Quote:
Originally Posted by ANOTHERHUNTER
I 100% agree with this statement [emoji106]Quote:
Originally Posted by MB
However in this case I would probably call it 'hammering' rather than 'hunting' [emoji6]
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Maybe we should all take to guiding visiting hunters basically free of charge, then they'll get real authentic hunting, with the right ethics and respect for our mountains and game . . . There are some bloody good guides/helo guys out there but unfortunately most of them are charlatans!
Tentman only if it was compulsory to leave their rifle behind as a gift ohh and their knife
It is really the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by MB