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    A question in deer genetics

    Does anyone know of the genetic around colour determination in fallow.

    I'm an idiot with genetics but if anyone here is genetically minded which are the dominant and recessive alleles for colour determination in fallow? Could there be a co dominant or incomplete dominant situation that explains colours that share characteristics of more than one typical colour variation? Iím interested to know for the simple fact that I love any knowledge regarding deer.

    I know people would naturally think black is dominant being that it is visually darker but I've only ever seen one black fawn in a local population I hunt and its mother was menil and I've never seen a black buck there. It could be that he's alluded me and I've just never seen him but I don't know. "Common" would therefore have to be dominant but it's not like a dominant colour to be the common colour in most populations. Then you can look at fallow in Tasmania which are almost all black though occasionally there is a white or normal pop up but vary rarely a menil. So that would lead me to think that black is dominant.

    White and menil showing up as rarely and inconsistently as they do would make me think it's maybe recessive.

    Don't know, but if anyone does I'd love to hear!

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    alternatively if someone knows of a study already done and can forward on a link that'd be great.

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    Maybe @Rushy if you might know good sir?

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    I could be wrong but i don't think there is a "dominant" colour phase gene.
    Maybe white is a bit recessive? But more likely they get shot because they stick out like dogs balls.
    Common is only called that because its the common phase where we got them from.
    Locally most herds are Common or Melanistic with a spattering of Menal with white being very rare.
    Because that is what was released.
    My father released Common and Melanistic 25 odd years ago.
    Eventually a white doe was born and she would be 14-16 years old now... Two years ago she had a white fawn.
    Also some of the herd are now Menil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bavarian_Hunter View Post
    Maybe @Rushy if you might know good sir?
    No mate sorry. I am not that into the detail about anything. I only shoot them and don't care if they are black white if brindle. They all taste the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by veitnamcam View Post
    I could be wrong but i don't think there is a "dominant" colour phase gene.
    Maybe white is a bit recessive? But more likely they get shot because they stick out like dogs balls.
    Common is only called that because its the common phase where we got them from.
    Locally most herds are Common or Melanistic with a spattering of Menal with white being very rare.
    Because that is what was released.
    My father released Common and Melanistic 25 odd years ago.
    Eventually a white doe was born and she would be 14-16 years old now... Two years ago she had a white fawn.
    Also some of the herd are now Menil.
    That is interesting, you're right though for the sake of this topic I should've used "red" instead of "common". The trick would be that two recessive deer of the same colour could only produce another deer of that colour. Similarly if there are two deer of the same dominant alleles they would have to theortically produce the same coloured offspring although they could pass on other recessive genes which you wouldn't see.

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    At the risk of getting a bollocking, i can tell you that a well respected member of that " other" forum who uses the handle Grandad, will almost definately have the answers you seek
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pengy View Post
    At the risk of getting a bollocking, i can tell you that a well respected member of that " other" forum who uses the handle Grandad, will almost definately have the answers you seek
    He told me it was impossible to breed a white herd, yet there is a paddock full of em on the farm next door to where i grew up.
    Basicly called me a liar and i knew nothing because i only had 10 posts or whatever.

    So while fallow is is passion and he is quite knowledgeable he also can be an arrogant prick and not admit when he is wrong.
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    If you really want an answer instead of best guesses i suggest you ask elsewhere unless one of our fine members studyed genetics
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    That surprises me a bit Cam. Thought he was a good bugger. Just goes to show aye
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pengy View Post
    That surprises me a bit Cam. Thought he was a good bugger. Just goes to show aye
    Thread might still be there somewhere.
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    Well I know for certain that's untrue, I have a good family friend who is a deer farmer and for about 20 years he's had a little white herd in a two acre paddock next to his house. They always produce white fawns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bavarian_Hunter View Post
    Well I know for certain that's untrue, I have a good family friend who is a deer farmer and for about 20 years he's had a little white herd in a two acre paddock next to his house. They always produce white fawns.
    Liar!!!!


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    Ive got access to online journals via my uni work. Ill do a search tonight and get back to you with what i find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by veitnamcam View Post
    He told me it was impossible to breed a white herd, yet there is a paddock full of em on the farm next door to where i grew up.
    Basicly called me a liar and i knew nothing because i only had 10 posts or whatever.

    So while fallow is is passion and he is quite knowledgeable he also can be an arrogant prick and not admit when he is wrong.
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