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Thread: SPCA call out 1080 for what it is - good on you !!

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    SPCA call out 1080 for what it is - good on you !!

    Good on the SPCA for telling it like it is ..... a slow and extremely painful death.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12187074

    Of course the Twig&Tweet spokesman says they (SPCA) are naive liars, and the claims have all been shown to be false in the past. Two faced lying arrogant retard.
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    i think they like 1080 cause they can just spread it around and say job done and don't have to get off their lazy asses to do any work. to me large fall in traps for rats and mice and allowing registered hunters into parks with 22s and air rifles allowed to spotlight possums for skinning or plucking would be more economic and better all round for the environment. 30 million the 1080 budget for next 2 years for 1 million hectares. if poison is needed then it should be fast acting and targeted not just broadcast willy nilly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by berg243 View Post
    i think they like 1080 cause they can just spread it around and say job done and don't have to get off their lazy asses to do any work. to me large fall in traps for rats and mice and allowing registered hunters into parks with 22s and air rifles allowed to spotlight possums for skinning or plucking would be more economic and better all round for the environment. 30 million the 1080 budget for next 2 years for 1 million hectares. if poison is needed then it should be fast acting and targeted not just broadcast willy nilly.
    having now shot more than 10k rabbits around banks peninsula (out of christchurch for you norther types) i can safely say that rcd (calici) is horrid way to kill a rabbit. coagulation till heart failure is disgusting.
    we should be shooting and processing these pest animals for personal use or export. in korea possum is sold as nz bush bear and sells well. meanwhile at the local pub we import rabbit for kiwi consumption
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    gotta be someone making some money off of the stuff.... where there is money there will be greed and that is likely to cloud better judgement and/or numb any moral standards.
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    Hunters aligning with the SPCA is funny as.
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    Used to be awesome rabbit shooting around here. Now I can't get enough rabbits. Virus and flooding has hammered them here.


    I love eating the them. Make all sorts of meals out of them using chicken recipes.
    Deep fried KFC style rabbit being a family favorite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 40mm View Post
    gotta be someone making some money off of the stuff.... where there is money there will be greed and that is likely to cloud better judgement and/or numb any moral standards.
    yep, you're not wrong .... trying following the money trail on this one, its a cluster fuck of holding companies and entities that you cant get info on.

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    I saw this paragraph....


    "1080 remains one of the most strictly controlled hazardous substances in New Zealand and is a critical tool in the ongoing fight to protect our native birds from introduced predators possums, rodents (rats and mice) and stoats," hazardous substances group general manager Dr Fiona Thomson-Carter said."


    Its so tightly controlled we can throw it out of helicopters faster than Santa can throw his toys......

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    "The SPCA position against 1080 use is very disappointing. It shows several fundamental errors of fact and logic. Forest & Bird will seek a meeting to address these." Stated by Kevin Hague. It is very disappointing that the executive for Forest and Bird does not understand the fundamental errors of covering our environment in a toxic green rain that tells the whole world we are happy to poison the whole country.

    Perhaps the SPCA should sit down with him and maybe someone could SHOW him what an animal dying of 1080 goes through. Get him to watch a possum in a cage eat it and see what it experiences...That will NEVER happen. No one is allowed to be that cruel.

    On top of that I did not realise that Kevin Hague was a former Green MP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moutere View Post
    Hunters aligning with the SPCA is funny as.
    No, it is not. What sort of hunting do you do???

    (I'm sure you don't shoot animals in a spot where they will die a prolonged death, sometimes pull through and survive).

    Quote Originally Posted by timattalon View Post
    "The SPCA position against 1080 use is very disappointing. It shows several fundamental errors of fact and logic. Forest & Bird will seek a meeting to address these." Stated by Kevin Hague. It is very disappointing that the executive for Forest and Bird does not understand the fundamental errors of covering our environment in a toxic green rain that tells the whole world we are happy to poison the whole country.

    Perhaps the SPCA should sit down with him and maybe someone could SHOW him what an animal dying of 1080 goes through. Get him to watch a possum in a cage eat it and see what it experiences...That will NEVER happen. No one is allowed to be that cruel.

    On top of that I did not realise that Kevin Hague was a former Green MP.
    The NZ Animal Welfare Act has an exception to its ban on deliberate animal cruelty - when it is part of a public pest control program.

    Unsurprisingly however, a certain "Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals" believes DELIBERATE ANIMAL CRUELTY is unacceptable.

    Even less surprising: NZ Herald has not opened its article for comments, just a link to the Forest and Bird spin tweet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R93 View Post
    Used to be awesome rabbit shooting around here. Now I can't get enough rabbits. Virus and flooding has hammered them here.


    I love eating the them. Make all sorts of meals out of them using chicken recipes.
    Deep fried KFC style rabbit being a family favorite.

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    My family used to breed Rabbits commercially up until the first virus release. We slaughtered up to 600 a month, mostly for the pelts but the meat bought in good $$$ too, we only sold domestically but it went to several top end restaurants as well as local supermarkets. We had a good feed of them once or twice a month as well, the liver and hearts make a fantastic Pate.
    The virus release wiped out over half of our animals in a two month period. We destroyed the rest not long after as we couldn't sell the meat due to the publicity of the virus.
    Mmm, I'm feeling hungry now...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ROKTOY View Post
    My family used to breed Rabbits commercially up until the first virus release. We slaughtered up to 600 a month, mostly for the pelts but the meat bought in good $$$ too, we only sold domestically but it went to several top end restaurants as well as local supermarkets. We had a good feed of them once or twice a month as well, the liver and hearts make a fantastic Pate.
    The virus release wiped out over half of our animals in a two month period. We destroyed the rest not long after as we couldn't sell the meat due to the publicity of the virus.
    Mmm, I'm feeling hungry now...
    That sucks. A virus that ruined a good buisness.
    Sort of like 1080 ruined ground based meat hunting.

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    If we were to accept the possum/rabbit - considering they've been here almost as long as we have - and establish effective ways to manage their populations - i.e there could be programmes set up for younger people to get their FAL's and/or be given traps, and paid a little something to get out onto farms and into the bush (this idea isn't anything new, but it hasn't been properly implemented); then not only would populations be managed to some degree, but it would also be an opportunity for the younger upcoming generation(s) to learn some dicipline; learn how to create positive relationships with people (i.e with landowners); learn where their food comes from; get plenty of exercise....etc, etc. Society would be better for it, and it would maintain NZ's green, grass roots image.

    Instead of looking for problems we could be looking for opportunities. But everything is an emergency when money is at stake, and politicians love tackling problems head-on with their 5 step process...i.e Identify an issue. Slap on a bandaid with your name on it. Appease the masses. Collect your pay-check. Move onto the next issue! (Repeat)

    Nevermind thinking long-term (decades!!) and designing a system which will be self-saucing (always wanted to use a Pudding pun).

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    I think it is a very good thing that the SPCA has spoken publicly against 1080. There has been a very obvious ploy by DOC (read Forest and Bird) recently to discredit all and any person who is anti the use of 1080 as lawless rabble who shouldn’t be given the time of day. They can’t use this ploy with the SPCA, so have had to resort to calling them naive. More name calling and discrediting dissenters.

    If we had any real journalists in this country they would be asking why, when we have been dropping this poison for around 60 years, and claiming how effective it is, we have had little real success with it, and are having to drop it in ever increasing quantities on more and more areas every year. But of course, real journalists are few and far between.

    I read somewhere recently that a pro 1080 scientist claimed the mean time till death of some sort of rodent (can’t remember which) was of the order of 11 hours. This means that half of the deaths took longer than 11 hours. Can anyone name any other organisation in New Zealand where it is acceptable to take more than 11 hours to kill an animal?

    Problem is that only public opinion will sway them, and they are doing this ‘out of sight, out of mind’ of the general public.

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    [QUOTE=Cordite;
    Even less surprising: NZ Herald has not opened its article for comments, just a link to the Forest and Bird spin tweet.[/QUOTE]

    Yep, blatant bias - and the vid clip is all about the arrogant bleating F&B moron running down the SPCA.
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