Thread: Waitomo run ins

Originally Posted by Titanium

All you north island hunters can stay away from the south island as this is my pantry.

Ha ha big pantry

A couple of things to bear in mind:

Usually goats and specially fallow like to come out on the farmland around public blocks, that thick unhuntable bush.

Actual roads and even fencelines are often not where they’re marked on legal maps like “pocketmap” and “NZ Topo”. Do use those apps and record your “track”; show it to any freindly person you meet on the day. But be aware you may not have an absolute legal right to be on the road or track.

It may be those belligerent individuals will move on so try again in 6 months and take a mate or two with you.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

It's not thiers.its public land belongaeveryone.

Couldn't agree more

Yup I feel for you. Had a good little block in roughly the same geographic area. Great place to go for an afternoon hunt. Unfortunately miscreants have moved in on it, really not keen to have a run in...

There's only a few places that would be possible to do some fishing around these ways

Due to an old job of mine I tend to know quite a few of the people around, I'm guessing that ownerships may have changed

How far from Te Anga were you? Or over the other side?

Originally Posted by Beavis

Yup I feel for you. Had a good little block in roughly the same geographic area. Great place to go for an afternoon hunt. Unfortunately miscreants have moved in on it, really not keen to have a run in...

Not keen on a run in is good advice.
It's all very well saying stand your ground etc, but I am not interested in fisty cuffs over shooting an animal.
And if things do escalate, the cops will not take your side if there has been prior confrontation and you went back for more.
Like it or not, sometimes it's best just to move on and let someone else sort the shit out.

Originally Posted by Waipuna

There's only a few places that would be possible to do some fishing around these ways

Due to an old job of mine I tend to know quite a few of the people around, I'm guessing that ownerships may have changed

How far from Te Anga were you? Or over the other side?

Barely a few minutes outside of waitomo.

Had no issues fishing honekiwi and tawarau - obviously the issue was the firearms headed into "their pantry".

Are you meaning Waitomo state forest.? If so i used to Do possums there back in the 80s. Pigs and Goats there then but no deer but that has probably changed now. Used to go in from Honikiwi the other end of the block near the caves there is a patch of private land there.

Originally Posted by sikaduk

Are you meaning Waitomo state forest.? If so i used to Do possums there back in the 80s. Pigs and Goats there then but no deer but that has probably changed now. Used to go in from Honikiwi the other end of the block near the caves there is a patch of private land there.

The TA trail goes through there now, but I have a mate who's got a few deer in that area over the past few years

There was some pretty bad poaching happening in the Mahoe Rd end not too long ago, think trophy stag type poaching, buggers didn't even retrieve it

The poaching was incredibly bad. On the Honakiwi side poaching and the physical threats from the poachers were at least as I understand it, part of the reason one farmer sold up and got out. My brother and I on the Te Anga side had a couple of run ins with the same people that got sorted in court after we cleaned out a few dogs first time and didn't back down the second. With what you say About Mahoe, then that's issues at pretty much every locale around about.
On the Hauturu end the guys who went under the FB names of "Thermal' which tells you enough, were rampant until the locals sorted them out and handed them over to police.
Its worth noting also that that block has a large area close too the Marae that DOC designates as no hunting, and the trail gos through quite a bit of private land before it reaches DOC land. That area is complicated.

Originally Posted by whanahuia

The poaching was incredibly bad. On the Honakiwi side poaching and the physical threats from the poachers were at least as I understand it, part of the reason one farmer sold up and got out. My brother and I on the Te Anga side had a couple of run ins with the same people that got sorted in court after we cleaned out a few dogs first time and didn't back down the second. With what you say About Mahoe, then that's issues at pretty much every locale around about.
On the Hauturu end the guys who went under the FB names of "Thermal' which tells you enough, were rampant until the locals sorted them out and handed them over to police.
Its worth noting also that that block has a large area close too the Marae that DOC designates as no hunting, and the trail gos through quite a bit of private land before it reaches DOC land. That area is complicated.

Totally agree that the area is complicated! I've had the fortune of working for a local internet company that provide internet connections in the wops for a fair few years and tend to start most interactions with the locals on a good note

When I first started my hunting journey, I'm pretty sure you spent some time talking to me about cartridges, 6.5 grendal specifically

Hard case, as soon as you said who you worked for I realised wed talked before I needed to read the rest.

been dealing with these kind of issues for a large part of my time with DOC - preparation - you will need WAMS maps showing who owns what - and you will need a large color map make it A3 and split into two if needed - that needs boundarys on it - down load of WAMS and get a photo copy shop to make you large copys - some home work - here in Taranaki some landowners have got the District Council to close legal roads for periods of time and in one case for good - sometimes DOC have that info but dont count on it likely never sees DOC staff - no info but gate locked - go and see District Council and the person to see is the local Roading Engineer - if it is a legal road and they have not applied to Distirct Council to close for periods or permanently then you have the right to remove lock and use it - its public land - DOC access is more complicated yes it can be a legal road but in some cases its an agreement with the land owner - some are legal in that they have been signed and surveyed - some are not and are at the whim of the landowner - check with DOC but you need to speak to a staff member who actually knows the area - unformed paper roads yes they are public land but here is where your big A3 colour map comes into play you need to be on the paper road to be legal - GPS a must - so make sure your map has map grids on it if push comes to shove - there are other legal right of ways but many are narrow i.e 20 metre and not worth it marginal strips ( administered by LINZ who dont want to know ) - DOC grazing concessions are worth mentioning here many cockys think they are a lease -no it only gives them the right to put stock on thats it - if you have a permit for the area you have the right to hunt it - if you have any question fire ahead this used to be my job and I always fought like hell for the hunters while trying to calm down the cocky - generally worked but I am sad to see that some I worked hard on are now locked - and its bee keepers the culprits

@Roadtripper where abouts was this? I've been thinking about heading into the Ngatapuwae Rd end part of the Te Araroa trail. A couple of KM walking to do from the car park.

Originally Posted by Projects

@Roadtripper where abouts was this? I've been thinking about heading into the Ngatapuwae Rd end part of the Te Araroa trail. A couple of KM walking to do from the car park.

That area