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    when is cattle feral?

    my permit says I can hunt feral cattle on doc land. Great. Is any cattlebeast on doc land considered feral or is it only those mad brindle sods over on the west coast? If I shoot a cow on Doc land that belongs to a nearby farmer am I in the shit or is it his fault for not securing his cattle well enough?

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    im not 100% sure but i wouldnt be shooting them if they are tagged the farmer may have permission to let stock in for a certain period
    I heard of a farmer with stock in egmont national park but when asked to finally remove them after several writen and verbal notices doc was going in to cull them but farmer musta got wind of there plan stock were gone
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    If it had no tags I'd consider it depending how far from the car it will be
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    If it stands there waiting for you to feed out the hay it is NOT feral.

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    Your answer lies buried in the Wild Animals Act. Here is an extract from that act and I suggest you make your brain hurt and your eyes water by looking at the interpretations of domestic and wild animals.

    Interpretation

    • (1)In this Act, unless the context otherwise requires,—
      activity includes a business, trade, or occupation

      aerodrome has the meaning for the time being defined in section 2 of the Civil Aviation Act 1990; and includes any casual landing site or take-off site used by aircraft

      aircraft has the meaning for the time being defined in section 2 of the Civil Aviation Act 1990; and includes a helicopter

      brand has the meaning for the time being defined in Part 5 of the Animals Act 1967

      carcass, in relation to any wild animal, means the dead body or any part of the dead body thereof

      commercial, in relation to hunting or killing or capturing or holding any wild animal, means so doing for personal gain or pecuniary reward from the sale, barter, exchange, or giving of the animal or any part thereof, whether or not the commercial activity or transaction constitutes the sole or any lesser part of the means of livelihood of the commercial operator

      concession means a concession granted under section 22 in the form of a licence or permit that does not create an interest in land or that does create an interest in land that is non-exclusive

      conservation management strategy means a conservation management strategy approved under the Conservation Act 1987

      Crown-owned land, except where otherwise stated, means unoccupied land vested in Her Majesty and administered by a Minister for the time being charged with the administration of the department of State that has control of the land; and includes all land for the time being forming part of any national park or maritime park

      defence area means any land that is set apart, used, or occupied for the purposes of the Armed Forces within the meaning of the Defence Act 1990, and on which any species of wild animal is normally present

      Department means the Department of Conservation

      Director-General means the Director-General of Conservation

      domestic animal—
      • (a)means—
        • (i)any cattle, sheep, horse, mule, ass, dog, or cat; and
        • (ii)any pig or goat that is not a wild animal as defined in this section; but
      • (b)does not include any animal referred to in paragraph (a) that is living in a wild state, or any other animal not referred to in this definition notwithstanding that it may be living in a domestic state

      enclosure, in relation to any wild animal that is kept in captivity, includes any fenced area of land and any premises or cage used to contain the animal

      exporter, in relation to any wild animal that it is intended to export, includes the owner, or consignor, or the agent for the owner or consignor, of the animal

      feral range, in relation to any wild animal, means the area that, in the opinion of the Director-General, is from time to time occupied by a free ranging population of wild animals of that species, excluding transient wanderers from the main herd and from the range of the main herd

      firearm means any gun, rifle, airgun, or air rifle (whether any such firearm is in working order or not); and includes any kind of weapon or device from which any shot, bullet, arrow, spear, stone, or other missile can be discharged; and shoot has a corresponding meaning

      hunt or kill, in relation to wild animals, includes—
      • (a)hunting or searching for any wild animal, and killing, taking, trapping, capturing, having in possession, tranquillising, or immobilising any such animal by any means:
      • (b)pursuing, disturbing, or molesting any such animal:
      • (c)taking or using any dog, firearm, vehicle, vessel, aircraft, net, snare, trap, poison, or like method while engaged in hunting any such animal, whether or not this results in capturing or killing any such animal:
      • (d)attempting to hunt or capture or kill any such animal while engaged in recreational, commercial, or guided hunting or hunting to capture live wild animals for export, farming, sale, breeding, exchange, public display, scientific, or other purposes:
      • (e)engaging in a wild animal recovery operation

      keep in captivity, in relation to any wild animal, means to enclose, restrain, or otherwise detain or harbour the animal by any means whatsoever; and includes the transport of the animal in a secure conveyance to a duly authorised place of captivity or to a ship or an aircraft for export from New Zealand; but does not include temporary immobilisation for the purpose of marking; and kept in captivity has a corresponding meaning

      land means land of any tenure

      liberate, in relation to any wild animal, means to set at liberty or release or allow to go at large, whether or not the act is deliberate or is a result of negligence or lack of care by the person having the wild animal in his ownership or care

      licence or permit means a written or printed licence or permit signed by the Director-General, which allows the person specified therein to do certain things, subject to any conditions that may be included, in or on a defined area of land, for a specified purpose, and a specified period of time, with or without payment of a specified fee

      local authority—
      • (b)in relation to any island adjacent to the coast of New Zealand which is not included in the district of any such local authority, means the Minister

      mark, in relation to any wild animal not held under licence or permit, means any method of marking the animal, or attaching something to the animal so that it can be identified; and marking has a corresponding meaning

      Minister means the Minister of Conservation

      occupier, in relation to any land, means any owner, lessee, licensee, or occupant of the land, and includes the known agent of any such owner, lessee, licensee, or occupant, and any manager, overseer, superintendent, or person in possession or charge of the land, and the Minister for the time being responsible for the administration of the department of State that has the control of the land

      operator, in relation to any commercial hunting for wild animal recovery or air transport of hunters or game meat or other business, means a person directly or indirectly facilitating commercial hunting or wild animal recovery; and includes his employer, employees, and agents

      owner, in relation to any animal, conveyance, or enclosure, means any owner or joint owner thereof (other than a mortgagee not in possession); and includes any superintendent, overseer, employee, agent, carrier, master or captain of a ship or aircraft, or other person, having possession or charge thereof, and any consignee thereof

      poison, in relation to any wild animal, means using or attempting to use or having in possession in a form in which it can be used, any preparation or substance used to immobilise or tranquillise or kill wild animals

      public notification or public notice, in relation to any act, matter, or thing, means a notice published in the New Zealand Gazette, or published in 1 or more newspapers circulating in the place or area to which the act, matter, or thing relates or refers or in which it arises; and publicly notified has a corresponding meaning

      recreation, in relation to hunting, means hunting as a pastime, or with the object of obtaining relaxation, without gaining pecuniary reward or gain from the hunting, or from the sale of any wild animal or part thereof

      regional council means a regional council within the meaning of the Local Government Act 2002

      regulated deer farm means a deer farm regulated under section 12A(2); and regulated area has a corresponding meaning

      safari park means a farm where income is derived from wild animals being hunted on the farm

      sale includes barter and exchange for consideration, and also includes offering or attempting to sell, or receiving for sale, or having in possession for sale, or exposing for sale, or sending or conveying or delivering for sale, or causing or allowing to be sold or raffled, or offered or exposed for sale; and sell has a corresponding meaning

      specified hunting area, specified area, or land, in relation to any zoning of land or in relation to any permit, licence, or written authority to enter onto land to hunt, means the area of land described therein

      specified wild animal, means any wild animal of a species or class specially listed or mentioned in this Act as one that may, under permit, licence, or other authority, be captured, conveyed, held in captivity, or exported; or any wild animal of any sex or species or class referred to in any permit or licence or other authority to enter onto land to hunt wild animals

      vehicle means any wheeled or tracked device, or hovercraft, or ski equipped device capable of carrying a person or persons, whether or not it is powered by an internal combustion engine

      vessel has the meaning for the time being defined in section 2 of the Harbours Act 1950

      warranted officer has the same meaning as in the Conservation Act 1987

      wild animal—
      • (a)means—
        • (i)any deer (including wapiti or moose):
        • (ii)any chamois or tahr:
        • (iii)any goat that is not—
          • (A)held behind effective fences or otherwise constrained; and
        • (iv)any pig that is living in a wild state and is not being herded or handled as a domestic animal or kept within an effective fence or enclosure for farming purposes:
        • (v)any member of any species or class of land mammals that the Governor-General may from time to time, by Order in Council, declare to be wild animals for the purposes of this Act; and
      • (b)includes the whole or any part of the carcass of any such animal:
      • (c)except for deer lawfully kept in captivity for the purposes of farming, does not include any animal kept in captivity pursuant to a permit or licence that is effective for the purposes of section 12 during the currency of the permit or licence and the observance of all conditions under which the permit or licence has been issued

      wild animal recovery operation means the use of an aircraft (whether or not for hire or reward) to carry out 1 or more of the following activities:
      • (a)the searching for, shooting, or immobilising of wild animals:
      • (b)the recovering of wild animals (whether dead or alive) or of any part of those wild animals:
      • (c)the carriage of persons, supplies, equipment, firearms, ammunition, poisons, or other things that may be used for the purpose of paragraph (a) or paragraph (b).


      (2)Every reference in any regulations made under this Act to the Director-General of Forests, a Forest Officer, the Forest Service, the Minister of Forests, or State forest land, shall be read, respectively, as a reference to the Director-General, a warranted officer, the Department, the Minister of Conservation, or a conservation area within the meaning of the Conservation Act 1987.

    Of course, if you get it wrong, you can get it horribly wrong. :>)

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    After you shoot it advertise it 3 times in the local paper, if no one claims it its yours, or you can take it to the local pound or ring the SPCA.
    Yeah right!
    Boom, cough,cough,cough

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    If your not the best butcher thats a shit ton of gravy beef, if you can even haul the shit out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    Too much reading for me
    it says hunters should use their grey matter. If an animal is ear marked, tagged or branded it is likely to be owned by someone. If they are near an unfenced bush fringe and pastural land they are likely to be owned by someone. If they are common domestic colour phases they are likely owned by someone.

    My experience is that there are very few herds of genuine wild cattle left, and that they are elusive and avoid human contact. Unless provoked they have never seemed to be particularly dangerous, and I have never had a desire to shoot one. I have encountered far more domestic cattle on public land than I have wild cattle. Probably a ratio of 50:1
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    when it stands on my foot

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    i no of a few wild cattle shot one once as they are cunning as hell. took me 8 hours to butcher it
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    If a bull which is tagged roots a cow which is tagged an has a calf which isnt tagged and you shot the calf when it was a bit bigger its legal
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    If a bull which is tagged roots a cow which is tagged an has a calf which isnt tagged and you shot the calf when it was a bit bigger its legal
    Provided its not in the paddock
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    Personally I would consider it too big a can o worms to even bother opening it.
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