.22 is misfiring - empty shells are stuck in gun and crushed - any ideas?

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09-01-2017, 07:32 PM
sapphire

.22 is misfiring - empty shells are stuck in gun and crushed - any ideas?

Hi everyone

My partner has a Marlin 795 - .22 semi-automatic that he's owned for 2 years and never had a problem with it.

Lately it has started misfiring. The bullet will fire but the empty case gets stuck in the gun and is very bent on one side.

He uses the gun regularly and cleans it when required.

Any ideas of what may be causing this to happen?

Thanks in advance :)
09-01-2017, 07:37 PM
northdude

got a pic of extracted case
09-01-2017, 07:38 PM
R93

Broken extractor.

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09-01-2017, 07:40 PM
northdude

welcolme to the forum you and your partner will find a lot of info here
09-01-2017, 07:44 PM
P38

Quote:

Originally Posted by R93

Broken extractor.

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Or a peined chamber from dry firing.

Can you post a picture of the chamber and the extracted empty case.

The good news is both issues are easily fixed

Cheers
Pete
09-01-2017, 07:47 PM
Tommy

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The 795 has pretty chunky extractor claw so I doubt it would break easily, but it does nestle in a very close fitting groove in the the bolt. You should be able to move it reasonably freely with a fingernail.

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09-01-2017, 07:53 PM
sapphire

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Thanks for your quick replies!

And thanks for the welcome Northdude :)

Here are some pictures - hopefully they show enough detail.

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09-01-2017, 08:16 PM
WallyR

No expert as are some here - but I have a question.
The case looks like it's too long for the chamber.
Is he using 22WMR ammo by mistake?
Has the box been kept?
That will help in this identification.
Might be a possible reason for the extraction difficulties.
The case looks like it's jamming in the rifling and being mashed about when loaded by the action.
My 2c worth. :yaeh am not durnk:
09-01-2017, 08:23 PM
Tommy

Quote:

Originally Posted by WallyR

No expert as are some here - but I have a question.
The case looks like it's too long for the chamber.
Is he using 22WMR ammo by mistake?
Has the box been kept?
That will help in this identification.
Might be a possible reason for the extraction difficulties.
The case looks like it's jamming in the rifling and being mashed about when loaded by the action.
My 2c worth. :yaeh am not durnk:

22 mag won't go into battery
09-01-2017, 08:25 PM
Marty Henry

Quote:

Originally Posted by WallyR

No expert as are some here - but I have a question.
The case looks like it's too long for the chamber.
Is he using 22WMR ammo by mistake?
Has the box been kept?
That will help in this identification.
Might be a possible reason for the extraction difficulties.
The case looks like it's jamming in the rifling and being mashed about when loaded by the action.
My 2c worth. :yaeh am not durnk:

Either that or its not recoiling far enough to eject and the empty is being reloaded at a angle as the bolt trys to go back into battery. Happens in my 10/22 running subs if its not cleaned every 200 rounds.
09-01-2017, 08:34 PM
rambo-6mmrem

try striping it and giving it a real proper clean could be just dirty as if that doesn't work gunsmith
09-01-2017, 08:37 PM
rambo-6mmrem

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsVegL4st_4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-H6_2HfIl8
09-01-2017, 08:39 PM
sapphire

Quote:

Originally Posted by WallyR

No expert as are some here - but I have a question.
The case looks like it's too long for the chamber.
Is he using 22WMR ammo by mistake?
Has the box been kept?
That will help in this identification.
Might be a possible reason for the extraction difficulties.
The case looks like it's jamming in the rifling and being mashed about when loaded by the action.
My 2c worth. :yaeh am not durnk:

He's currently using Sub-Sonic - 22 LR HP - 1050 FPS - 40 grain

And before that he used Stinger - 22 LR - 1640 FPS - 32 grain
09-01-2017, 08:43 PM
kidmac42

@Martin Henry is onto it. I've had this issue occasionally myself. All I do is get a bit of gun oil in there to lube it up and no more probs. Only does it with sub's once in a while. Might help if I stripped and cleaned it too I guess.
09-01-2017, 08:43 PM
sapphire

Quote:

Originally Posted by rambo-6mmrem

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsVegL4st_4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-H6_2HfIl8

Thanks for the links! Great to see a video that is straight to the point! :thumbsup:
09-01-2017, 08:45 PM
Beaker

Marty Henry's post gets my vote.

The new subs aren't providing enough grunt to push the bolt back. Try a packet of a super sonic round and see if it still does it.

Also a full strip and clean.
09-01-2017, 08:45 PM
veitnamcam

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marty Henry

Either that or its not recoiling far enough to eject and the empty is being reloaded at a angle as the bolt trys to go back into battery. Happens in my 10/22 running subs if its not cleaned every 200 rounds.

That is what it looks like from the photo.
09-01-2017, 08:57 PM
sapphire

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beaker

Marty Henry's post gets my vote.

The new subs aren't providing enough grunt to push the bolt back. Try a packet of a super sonic round and see if it still does it.

Also a full strip and clean.

He uses this ammo 90% of the time and never had any problems with it. But will try super sonic - fingers crossed!
09-01-2017, 09:02 PM
Savage1

If it's Winchester subs then try CCI subs, Winchester seem to be a bit hit and miss in mine.
09-01-2017, 10:31 PM
mudgripz

With the Marlin semiautos stick to CCI for best cycling, keep the action clean, and run them almost dry of oil - just one drop on bolt. Here's some tips on maintenance:

Marlin semiauto .22 setup, servicing and parts
10-01-2017, 08:40 AM
zimmer

Quote:

Originally Posted by mudgripz

With the Marlin semiautos stick to CCI for best cycling, keep the action clean, and run them almost dry of oil - just one drop on bolt. Here's some tips on maintenance:

Marlin semiauto .22 setup, servicing and parts

Yep, this is the advise I have always followed with mine. My Marlin has operated perfectly with CCI subs from day one and have I never run anything else seriously thru it. CCI is the most accurate (like stunning) ammo in mine. Never bothered with HV and never had cycling issues with CCI Subs or SV.
10-01-2017, 08:46 AM
northdude

Looks like its trying to rechamber the fired round
10-01-2017, 08:49 AM
zimmer

Quote:

Originally Posted by sapphire

He's currently using Sub-Sonic - 22 LR HP - 1050 FPS - 40 grain

And before that he used Stinger - 22 LR - 1640 FPS - 32 grain

Has he tried the Stinger again?
Also does the bolt latch in the open/back position after the last round in the mag is fired?
10-01-2017, 06:10 PM
sapphire

Quote:

Originally Posted by zimmer

Has he tried the Stinger again?
Also does the bolt latch in the open/back position after the last round in the mag is fired?

He's dropped it off to the gunsmith so I'll guess we'll find out what the issue was. Will share on here once I know.

For now he's gone and bought a new gun lol males... :XD:
11-01-2017, 10:16 PM
CZ Lux

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marty Henry

Either that or its not recoiling far enough to eject and the empty is being reloaded at a angle as the bolt trys to go back into battery. Happens in my 10/22 running subs if its not cleaned every 200 rounds.

Had same issue with my 10/22....
12-01-2017, 08:46 AM
223nut

Quote:

Originally Posted by sapphire

For now he's gone and bought a new gun lol males... :XD:

Perfect solution!!
12-01-2017, 09:21 AM
northdude

@223nut might need to see to it with your first aid kit :D
12-01-2017, 08:50 PM
gadgetman

Quote:

Originally Posted by hamsav

Um , did the conversation go something like " well dear , this doesn't seem safe . In the interests of my continuing good health I think its best if I get a new safer gun" ?
works for motorbikes , cars and boats too.

No!

Should I get a new firearm today? Does today end in a 'y'? If the answer to either quesfion is 'yes' then the answer to both is 'yes'.