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Gidday Guys, rainy day here, much contemplation (navel gazing if you must) taking place.
Who's shooting and reloading for a 30-06?? Especially ones with a shortish barrel (say 20" plus/minus a few inches)
What sort of velocities are you getting with 175's/180's - I like to think the new Federal Edge would be pretty good to at least 500 in one of these . . . .
I have shot 185 gr lapuas out of my parker hale at 2730 fps, punishing is how I would describe them 2209 was the powder
I have some 30-06's. One old and one new. Vety accurate 155 gn at around 2850'/s with 4064 or 4320.
180grn 2720'/s with IMR4350 or 2209. 2650'/s with Re22 is one of my favourites. All sub moa at ranges out to 600. Just remember though that is you kick a 180 gn pill out at 2700 from a lightish hunting rifle then expect a boot. IMO the venerable 30-06 is THE do all cartridge for NZ.
Tentman, .30/06 is the itch I've returned to this year after a brief fling back in the late 90s. I shooting 180's BT's and have just loaded some 178 ELDx's. 2700 fps is about where it is with 2209, RL22 and 2213SC maybe give you an extra 100+ fps. 22-24 inch tubes on R700s.
I used to shoot .30-06 with 178 A-Max and RE22 for whitetail when I lived in Missouri. A-Max was great but RE22 was very temp sensitive.
178 ELD-M would be the go too.
@Brian is your man. Shot more deer with this caliber than you can shake a stick at.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tentman
I have used 150's for hunting in my various .30/06's since 1967. Nothing gets up and runs away! With a short barrel you would need to go to faster burning powders such as Bench Mark 2 or AR2206 to get complete combustion. I also run a .30/06 long barrel long-range rifle that performs well past 1000 metres pushing a 167 grain Lapua Scenar at 2950 fps. The combination of a long barrel and a slow powder gives the velocity at safe pressures. .30/06 is not the question, it is the answer!
Gun doc, how long a tube and what powder for your range rifle?
Yep and his 8/06, I had a short flirtation with a 3006 AI with 205 amaxs I shoulda kept it built by Din Collings, recoil was brisk but not uncomfortable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
So here is what I'm thinking . . . been watching a few videos of the big name guys (Duley's, The Hunters Club guys etc.) and thinking about some of the places I'd like to poke into. They nearly always involve climbing up through bush with a full pack, and a "bust out" through the monkey scrub at some point. Seeing the aforementioned guys (all pretty young) battling along with bloody great long cannons on thick stuff got me thinking there must be a better way - I've been there and done it and is never actually much fun. I hauled "our" ( @nor-west ) 7x64 along on several such trips, and while it was nice to have a "big hammer" once you got up in the open where ranges get a bit longer, even with a 23 1/2" barrel it was tiresome in the bush and thick stuff - like when you are coming down in the dark and strike a matagouri belt 150M above the riverbed. Managing a rifle and a hill stick or walking poles on big descents with the rifle still slung is a pain, get into some thick stuff and thats when the "fuse blows" and you end up doing something that can lead to a wreck.
So - a 30-06 (or 280, or even 270) with a nice long barrel (26" at least eh?) would be even better it it would go in your pack when you need it too.
I've been offered a TC Encore in 308 with a 28" barrel, but of-course I got sprung by Nor-west (who I swear sometimes reads my mind) and if it got a 30-06 AI reamer poked up it then it might be "just the ticket" - it'd do 3000 fps with 180's with RL-26. Put a brake on it - the Encore's are around 7 lbs so recoil would be starting to get up there. So - who has the 30-06 AI reamer now?
I've got an 06 barrel with I'd say less than 100 rounds down it
Sorry I must be thick - are you saying a short barrel is worse in the tight stuff and you want a longer one? Que?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tentman
An Encore is a take-down like a Bergara etc - goes inside a pack
For a TC Encore ??Quote:
Originally Posted by northdude
@308 its a T/C encore so possible take it to bits?
I am running a 26" Vulcan match barrel and using 61.5 grains of AR2213SC. I built the rifle on a Winchester M17 action.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dicko
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Gun doc, thanks for sharing. I’m playing around with 4831 and Rl22 presently trying to replicate your results.
Tentman,
Just grab a base model Merkel K3 or K95 in 7x65, .30/06, 7 mm RM or .300 WM like @stug or our west coast man and your good to go.
178 gr ELDX with 58 grs Superformance for 2781 fps AV out of a Ruger American 22 inch barrel. First group I shot went into an inch and at the same point of impact as my previous load with 180 gr Noslar BT s using 57 grs Ar 2209 which is max in my rifle , I would drop a couple of grains and work up to that in your rifle.
Ha - yes I'd love a K95 or the like and have fondled a couple - but I'm a quantity over quality sort of gun-nut!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dicko
T’man,
I hear you. One wife but not one rifle.....
Sweet, now that makes more senseQuote:
Originally Posted by Tentman
Now - I got a good chuckle out of that! Right on the mark!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dicko
Reloder 26
Norma mrp
Reloder 17
Vihtavuori n560
Reloder 23
In this order all look to get 2800fps or over in a 22" barrel with 180gr pills and I'd say Superformance would be close
I shoot a Sako 85 30/06 with Shilen Select Match barrel at 23 inches.
It's a good rifle, have shot Tahr out to 500yards and its bloody accurate with the 165gr Sierra Gamechangers ai biff out of it.
Tentman, i changed over to an 06 quite a while ago as my allrounder, 1st with an R8 and now a carbon light which beretta got in for me, it is absolutely great and consistantly shoots out to 650 with no worries. Spent a lot of time load developing and and ended up with 2209 and Barnes TTSX 168gr, tried the 165 and they just didnt go as good as longrange, i was hesitant at 1st going to the 06 but love it as an allrounder now.
The 06 is all ways going to have fans because it's legit it kills well[emoji869]
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Why not just buy a 300wsm? Xbolt 23inch barrel same 30cal bullet, I use 200gr eldx @2940 they are dead everytime.
@Blackmac possibly it insnt chambered in a t/c encore or.also possible the recoil in such a light system is starting to get a bit much.
Only guessing though
He might also have shit loads of 3006 stuff or maybe just wants to have a play with one
In my 28" 308 Encore, it got 180's up to 2700 with 43.5gr of 2208 and that wasn't a max load. Once lockdown is over, I'm going to give Belmont 763 a go. It should reach 2800 easily.
Depending on what kinda performance you're after, you might not need to have it reamed out because that long tube really gets them zipping along.
Because he has pedigree and class.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackmac
The only Encore available at other than Gun City or J B Furly prices (= ripoff) was in 308. I was thinking of going 30-06 AI (or 280 AI if the only barrel I could get was a 7mm - basically taking an '08 case and running an improved reamer into it).
However a bit of scenario checking on Quickload and QuickTarget shows that the gains in velocity and energy are pretty minimal out to the ranges I shoot game. I'm thinking it'll stay a 308 and run something like the Federal Edge TLR's, in a single shot (no mag length restriction, long barrel) and a bit of careful powder selection I'm thinking I'll get the 175 TLR going at 2800 fps - plenty of WHOMP still at 500M.
Bang on - we must have been typing at the same time. Quickload shows optimal powders are the likes of W760, Re-17 and N550, so W763 should be very good too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pommy
Got my Savage 30-06 running an accurate load with 200gr eldx at 2650ft/s with Superformance powder. 22 inch barrel though .
