I just bought a creedmoor.... will get to the range to try it out this sunday
All the loving endorsements the CM gets on this forum clinched the deal for me...
More target than hunting for me.....
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I just bought a creedmoor.... will get to the range to try it out this sunday
All the loving endorsements the CM gets on this forum clinched the deal for me...
More target than hunting for me.....
So did TrumpQuote:
Originally Posted by GravelBen
So did Monica
So did slow smoked meats, so it's not all bad
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Pinched from another forum, where just like here some young whippersnappers are trying to drag the crusty old guard into the 21st Century.... to a soundtrack of griping and whinging and general bemoaning the invention of new fangledness... just like on every other hunting forum in the world! (Apart from 65Creedmoor.com maybe.)
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These comparison articles sell well, eh.
Anyway, as an adopter of the Creedmoor for the specific task of smashing goats in hard to reach places, I will say this. In 35yrs I've never owned a rifle that has come even remotely close to delivering the instant, no fuss, any load will do out-the-box down range accuracy as the Howa Varmint in 6.5CM.
From the very first shots I put down the tube its just been a laser. So easy to load for, just pick what velocity you want and off you go.
I've never been one for favourites, I want a selection of rifles chambered in cartridges that don't overlap too much that I can use for specific purposes. For me the Creedmoor just damn well works at what it was designed to do and what I bought it for - 500m goat annihilation. Nae bother!
I own .223, .243 and .308 now and have had several of those over the years plus various .25s, 7mm and .277s, and others that I've forgotten. All of them have been quirky in some way or other, the .223s and .308s would be the least quirky for sure. But none of them have been as easy to load for and as immeditely satisfying to shoot at 500m+ as this Creedmoor.
For that job you can keep yer .308s and .270s. I love my .308 but it has been totally usurped by the Creedmoor on goat hunts where I expect to be shooting mostly past 300m.
The criticism I have is about all this promotional blah blah, especially out of the US, insisting that the Creedmoor is a "long range hunting" rifle capable of taking "N American big game". Its a fine medium range hunting rifle but it doesn't have a cat-in-hells chance of keeping up with the magnum cartridges past 600m. It really annoys me when I read about shooting elk at 750yds++ with their AR10 when anyone with half a brain knows that at that range you need magnum power to compensate for the inevitable lottery of point of impact. There's a massive difference between a 6.5CM shooting a 147gr ELD-M and a .300 Win Mag shooting a 208gr ELD-M at those kind of ranges. One cartridge was designed to shoot long range and kill big animals, the other wasn't.
I think that's at the root of why a lot of blokes are cheesed off with Creedmoor this, Creedmoor that. Its been promoted out of context by wannabes and Tacticool cockheads.
bugger you didnt find comparison with a big fat round nose 180grnut of the .308 or a 170grn out of .270 rainbow like trajectory (interestingly the .270 not so much) but hit like hammer of thor.
but what do I know...the last animal I shot was a boar of about 140lb at 150ish yards and I used a 50 grn barnes ttsx out of the humble .223
Maybe you'd be let into the 6.5 club if you wear a Hanzel and Grendel hat?Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
Oh gawd, some posts just made me laugh so hard I need to take a wee. Appealed to my sense of humour, that, @Cordite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cordite
Apparently, the first name they picked was "Sweedmoor".....then they remembered reloading....But seriously, its been known for years how good 6.5 is as a medium-sh game cartridge (including 500 elephants)...(7468 moose)...and 2 confirmed guinea-pigs... But they really just wanted something New,in this caliber, (high BC's and SD's) that they could sell to the largest-market (USA), in a short-action configuration...that didnt have the issues and bad-Press associated with old military actions. Most of us (guys) love a good comparison-argument..until we meet Jack Napier, then its 'horses for courses'
This is going no where, again.:)
What we should do is have a real comparison, we should compare the 257 Roberts with the 25 06
I'm continually told the 25 06 is shit!
This is told to me by friends, by people I know, by people I don't know but have a loose association with on the internet therefore bearable, and finally by people on the internet I don't know and therefore I don't give a fuck about what they say.
The 257 Roberts or, Bob, if you are the friendly but ever so mildly patronizing type of guy every social set has who wishes all others to think he is au fait , indeed intimate with the whys and wherefores of caliber differentials within the same group.
Is slower, even more obsolete and harder to find in factory form that the 25 06, actually the last one I heard of was a Ruger Hawkeye.
So therefore I would expect it shouldn't even be heard of unless in history books and old men forums, except, it still persists in surprisingly younger folk when the 25 06 is so obviously superior.
The Charts @Flyblown have put up are terrific, perhaps you could do another set for these two.
That should do it.
Tahr, You may now say something , if you wish. :)
Sounds like the new 25 creedmoor would be right up your alley....Quote:
Originally Posted by jakewire
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Me ?
I have no use for a .25 caliber.
Why would you say that @Nick-D, did you actually read my post .Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick-D
Little of column a little of column b. I both read your post and said something stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by jakewire
Pretty sure 25 creedmoor isn't a thing. Yet
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Pretty sure even if it does, it ain't got anything to do wit the 257Bob
It is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick-D
Check this link out quite a good read, offers some great performance but relies on the specialty projectile, 131gr Match bullet with 0.330 G7 BC (140gr ELD has a 0.326 BC).
https://coldboremiracle.com/2018/10/...-25-creedmoor/
Well he knew that,
Now this thread is fun.:)
There is a nice rebarreled winny in 257roberts on TM. I decided it has the ballistics of the 260 with 100 to 120gr. If going for a light bullet chucker I would probably go for a fast twist 243ai or 6mm rem
I do just fine with 120s in 260 not need for 6mm or 257 😝😎Quote:
Originally Posted by stevodog
Now you have got me going......time to thread steal...:DQuote:
Originally Posted by jakewire
I hunted for many years taking many deer with a .257 Roberts Ackley Improved. Now this rifle was eventually stolen. So when looking for a replacement I decided on a 25-06, as why not? All literature said the 257 AI was very close to the 25-06 in performance and I had had years of success with the 257 AI so the 25-06 was an obvious choice....... Nah!!! The 25-06 was just not as good! My shooting didn't change, I was using the same projectiles I had left over, but for some reason it just didn't have that "struck down like a bolt of lightning" like the Roberts did.
So I understand that sometimes, even though the books and other people say that 2 calibres are bloody close, that in the real world that its not always the case.
Now to keep looking for a 25-06 to re-chamber as I still have all the brass and the custom dies waiting patiently on the shelf...........................
I suppose you want to, "touch base", "pull the trigger on" and "could care less" too?Quote:
Originally Posted by jakewire
Bob ?.... Is that you Bob ?....Hello... Can you hear me ?...... Bob ?
Sorry....long hot day...couldnt resist.. the .257 is a fine cartridge...
Or a 6mm Creedmoor...Quote:
Originally Posted by stevodog
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Maybe...I haven't looked at it though thought you could fit more powder in the other 2
With regard to the original post, I think the 708 is the better round at normal hunting ranges for big game. I load for a mates 708 and he shoots 140gr sst's into the same hole and really smacks animals hard. Ballistically you get easy speed whereas with my 260 I feel I'm always looking to push it a bit for speed. The 708 performs better with a short barrel as well.
150gr in 708 would be cool with a long mag fit...I imagine 2750fps could be done at a push. I think someone on here is doing that well with a 7 x 57.
I keep going out to buy a 708 and come back with something different all the time.
2750 FPS is easy in a 24inch barrel and long action or a short action with AI bottom metal and a Accurate mag without a binder plate max col 2.950"
I had 150gr ELD-X going at 2758 FPS (MagnetoSpeed) with a COL of 2.910"
Of course with a 6.5CM you don't have to mess with long action's or mag's without binder plates and machining feed ramps etc, this was all built into the design to work in a Std short action.
