6.5 superlight

Evening gents. A question for the tikka t3 superlight owners. How do you all get on with your 3 shot moa accuracy? I Have a superlight from new in 6.5 creed shooting factory hornady whitetail ammo. First two shots at 100 yards are well under an inch but my third shot always seems to be a flyer, pushing my group over 1 inch Moa. I've owned a few standard t3s in bigger calibers and never had much problem getting a 3 shot group under 1 inch. Is the fluted barrel heating up to quickly creating a flyer? T.I.A

fluting increases surface area so in theory barrel should cool faster, have you tried other ammo?

Check the recoil lug is correctly connecting to action and stock .... then reassemble to to specified action screw torques (sorry don't know whats optimal for a Tikka)

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Originally Posted by Howa1500

fluting increases surface area so in theory barrel should cool faster, have you tried other ammo?

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Yeah but don't they also heat up faster? Yes I tried Norma 130 gr Scirocco. They shot like well over an inch. Cheers.

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Originally Posted by Tentman

Check the recoil lug is correctly connecting to action and stock .... then reassemble to to specified action screw torques (sorry don't know whats optimal for a Tikka)

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It’s 35 inch pounds with the standard stock.
Don’t know what that is whatever the new fangled measure is.

I had a superlight .260 was one of the most accurate rifles ive had 3 shots in one hole time after time.
I only sold to go to a Sako carbon light.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...30c6f2ba13.jpg

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Originally Posted by 25/08 IMP

I had a superlight .260 was one of the most accurate rifles ive had 3 shots in one hole time after time.
I only sold to go to a Sako carbon light.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...30c6f2ba13.jpg

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Wow! That with hand loads? So from that i take it fluted barrels dont make any dif? Just seems weird I get 2 really tight shots and then one flyer. Never had any other t3 do that. My friend shot it as well and had the same thing happen, just after he shot a half inch group with his remmy. I'm running optilocks all tightened properly and a ziess conquest 3x9x40.

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Originally Posted by SIX5ENZD

Wow! That with hand loads? So from that i take it fluted barrels dont make any dif? Just seems weird I get 2 really tight shots and then one flyer. Never had any other t3 do that. My friend shot it as well and had the same thing happen, just after he shot a half inch group with his remmy. I'm running optilocks all tightened properly and a ziess conquest 3x9x40.

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It would pay to see if any pressure points.
I use 143 eldx and either Hodgdon superprofrmance or RL26 my Sako carbon light Creedmoor shoots just as well.
The eldx is an awesome bullet

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Originally Posted by 25/08 IMP

It would pay to see if any pressure points.
I use 143 eldx and either Hodgdon superprofrmance or RL26 my Sako carbon light Creedmoor shoots just as well.
The eldx is an awesome bullet

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Sorry imp what do you mean by pressure points?
I'd love to get my hands on some eldx. Can get the powder and 130gr eldms. What speeds are you getting with the 143s? I chronoed the 130gr factory ammo at 2630. Seems pretty slow.
Might try some hornady 143gr eldx factory loads and see how they shoot before I decide to hand load for it.

Test: make shot one, then walk away for 5 minutes, come back and make shot two, walk away for 5 minutes, come back and make shot three might be a telling result.

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Originally Posted by 257weatherby

Test: make shot one, then walk away for 5 minutes, come back and make shot two, walk away for 5 minutes, come back and make shot three might be a telling result.

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Yeah good call. I will chuck it in the lead slead and try a few options. Don't mind the wee caliber. It's a puppy to shoot.

Possibly the ammo that white tails not the best but the projectile it uses is awesome iv had plenty of flutted tikkas and sakos all shot well is it suppressed mate? It’s an awesome calibre all right a box of the match could be worth trying to eliminate ammo issues

You could try waiting longer between shots to try isolate the barrel heating being the issue.
You could also try shooting more than 3 shot groups to see if it's a 3rd shot flier or if it's just the way the ammo shoots.
My guess would be the ammo is just 1 moa ammo, you could try some hornady match ammo to see if that shoots any better.

Not a super lite but my standard lite 260 wouldn't show much in the way of stringing even over a 10 shot string, would shoot well under .5moa with hand loads.
Barrel fluting can induce stresses into the barrel, or expose existing stresses in the barrel that occur after the barrel starts heating up.

My shots are all back to back no waiting.
All my rifles are free floating so no stock material touching.
I get 2811fps with the eldx the 140 or 147 eldm is another worth a try.
I find it easier to shoot groups with a higher mag scope 15 or 18 power and a small dot for a target.
All my groups are shot from a bipod with a rear bag.

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Originally Posted by Kelton

Possibly the ammo that white tails not the best but the projectile it uses is awesome iv had plenty of flutted tikkas and sakos all shot well is it suppressed mate? It’s an awesome calibre all right a box of the match could be worth trying to eliminate ammo issues

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Yeah I thought the white tail was possibly the problem. So I went to norma 130gr sciroccos. And they were worse! Will give the factory eldx a crack. The interbonds are awesome in the white tail aye. Shot a spiker from 200 yards with them. Found the projectile while skinning. All the pettles where still intact and nice mushroom must be close to 90% bullet retention. Nar mate the rifles standard as. No Can. It is the walnut stock model. Possible bedding issue could be the other thing I thought 🤔

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Originally Posted by Beetroot

You could try waiting longer between shots to try isolate the barrel heating being the issue.
You could also try shooting more than 3 shot groups to see if it's a 3rd shot flier or if it's just the way the ammo shoots.
My guess would be the ammo is just 1 moa ammo, you could try some hornady match ammo to see if that shoots any better.

Not a super lite but my standard lite 260 wouldn't show much in the way of stringing even over a 10 shot string, would shoot well under .5moa with hand loads.
Barrel fluting can induce stresses into the barrel, or expose existing stresses in the barrel that occur after the barrel starts heating up.

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Yeah mate I had a tikka 260 that shot very well with 123gr amax a few years ago. Punch myself alot for selling it. I will see how some decent match ammo shoots. Cheers.

For what its worth, i have 2x t3 superlite 6.5 creed, one at 18 inches and my partners one at 16 both with dpt supressors. neither of them would shoot the whitetail ammo well, but they both do consistent 1/2 inch 3 shot groups at 100m with hornady precision hunter factory ammo. no waiting between shots.

Yip I hand load that 129 in a creed it’s devastating on animals, Norma factory ammo is often finicky see if you can find a box of the match mate and if you handload theirs plenty of 6.5 around at present good luck keep us posted

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Originally Posted by 257weatherby

Test: make shot one, then walk away for 5 minutes, come back and make shot two, walk away for 5 minutes, come back and make shot three might be a telling result.

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Ive never been a huge fan of this, i find breaking position from the rifle can increase chances of the group opening up even further, i do all my load testing now with rounds fed from the magazine. Everything needs to be the same for valid testing

For what it's worth. A mate's standard T3 Creedmoor sprays the Norma Scirocco all over the show (+2 inch groups), but shoots Hornady Superformance 129 SSTs well under an inch.

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Originally Posted by 6.5 CRD

For what its worth, i have 2x t3 superlite 6.5 creed, one at 18 inches and my partners one at 16 both with dpt supressors. neither of them would shoot the whitetail ammo well, but they both do consistent 1/2 inch 3 shot groups at 100m with hornady precision hunter factory ammo. no waiting between shots.

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Awesome thanks for the input. I'll try some better quality ammo and see how she goes. Really like the wee caliber. Kills well.

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Originally Posted by rimubay

For what it's worth. A mate's standard T3 Creedmoor sprays the Norma Scirocco all over the show (+2 inch groups), but shoots Hornady Superformance 129 SSTs well under an inch.

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Shit is that right? You would think norma ammo would be pretty good for the price of it. Might have to give the eldx and SSTs a hoon. Cheers for your feed back.

so your first two rounds kill the first two deer/thar/pigs/chammy and the third one still near enough to point of aim to kill the third one as well out to 300 yards...and the problem is????
yes understand frustration if shooting at paper...if you dont like .257s suggestion..... shoot 2 leave it along for 5 minutes shoot another 2 wait five shoot 3rd lot of two......
what this is doing is telling you positively its barrel heat and nothing else..if it will CONSISTANTLY poke first 2 into tight cluster.... no problem... unless you shooting in matches or trying to cull mobs at long range.

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Originally Posted by SIX5ENZD

Shit is that right? You would think norma ammo would be pretty good for the price of it. Might have to give the eldx and SSTs a hoon. Cheers for your feed back.

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Start reloading and load eldx/ELDM probably solved

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I dont see the problem.........shoot an animal with the first shot, bang, flop. Save the next 2 rounds for next time. Rinse and repeat.

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Originally Posted by 25/08 IMP

Start reloading and load eldx/ELDM probably solved

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Definitely my plan. Cheers

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Originally Posted by Husky1600

I dont see the problem.........shoot an animal with the first shot, bang, flop. Save the next 2 rounds for next time. Rinse and repeat.

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Yeah I understand that. It's more I have a 3 month old tikka t3 superlight that should have a 3 shot moa guarantee. Was just interested to see how other super lights where reacting to heat. I've shot a few animals with it. But I would also like to do abit of target shooting as well. Cheers.

I flier could be somthing lose. Rail, rings, or my latest was suppressor rear bush touching bbl

There are also two small opposing contact bedding points (plastic knubs) in the barrel channel forward a few centimetres of the recoil lug section. Sometimes Tikka T3/T3x's shoot better with these removed making the barrel fully free floating. Be careful though because removing them will void your warranty and you don't want to deal with Beretta re. warranties if you can help it.

Let us know how you go. My as yet unfired 6.5CM will be having the 130gr norma scirocco through it first, and would be good to hear what your rifle likes. The Hornady big game 147gr was my next cab of the rank

Identify your target beyond all doubt because you never miss (right?) and I'll be missed.

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Originally Posted by SIX5ENZD

Yeah I understand that. It's more I have a 3 month old tikka t3 superlight that should have a 3 shot moa guarantee. Was just interested to see how other super lights where reacting to heat. I've shot a few animals with it. But I would also like to do abit of target shooting as well. Cheers.

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Sako Ammo is what is recommended by Beretta NZ I believe as regards MOA guarantee.