Finding 7mm pills might be about to get even harder.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaFsGDP5udo
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Finding 7mm pills might be about to get even harder.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaFsGDP5udo
just watched it and was going to post it - made 100x more sense then 6.5prc in my eyesQuote:
Originally Posted by 3hundred win mag
Wonder when we find out when we will see any ?
Also watched it this morning.
Will be interesting if and when we see it.
Is it a new mouse trap? No...will it do the job and have factory support? If the 6.5 is anything to go by then yes.
I think it will become the remmag replacement.
Yeah man, it pretty much is just an optimised rem mag. Better sami coal, better sami twist rates, no belt. What's not to likeQuote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
No issues with new cartridges, and good luck to anyone that get one, but it won’t be replacing my 7RM. I don’t get the perceived issue with “old fashioned” belted cases. No difference at all when reloading compared to cases without belts.
HEAD-TO-HEAD: 6.5 PRC / 7mm PRC / 300 PRC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSAYHl8gdjY
I think the 6.5 PRC (like you have VC) is the better hunting option because it will be easier to shoot accurately in a hunting situation than the 7 PRC with those powerful loads. With the 6.5 it will still do the job loaded with 120 - 130 class pills for normal ranges and on a much lighter platform. I would rather have a 7 Saum if going 7mmQuote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
@Moa Hunter why the 7mm Saum? Just curious
I dont have one but looking at all the options it comes out as about the best all round NZ chambering imo. It achieves almost 7WSM velocities with a lot less powder and recoil. 'Mark and Sam after work' have done a bit with it and found it to be a very very efficient and accurate cartridge.Quote:
Originally Posted by 308mate
This new 7 PRC will need a longer barrel than a Saum because of the greater volume of powder, so shorten it down to 22 -24 and see how it goes. For sure it will be good as a PRC competition round but will it be any better than a 300WSM as a powerful hunting round ?
Wanted this for a while now, there is a guy on youtube who got one build soon as sami specs came out, think his channel is backfire
I'm not sure I can get too excited by this 7mm PRC.
All of the other Hornadt cartridges have been a clear improvement over exisiting options and have bought good factory ammo and rifles to the market which are fit for purpose.
The 7mm PRC on the otherhand I'm not convinced about, for no other reason than I think it should've been short action length.
For this reason only I think the 7mm SAUM will be sticking around and won't be "killed off" like 300wm, 6.5SAUM and 260 effectively have been by other Hornady cals. I know they haven't actually been killed off but I think over time the PRCs will be the clear winner as far as factory rifle offering go.
A few will remember this little gem....might become a reality going by the number of cartridges they have been putting out over the last few years....
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its called a 30tc and its a great little fit for longer high bc bullets in constricted short actionsQuote:
Originally Posted by 308mate
Kaimai concept rife is a good little thought experiment by D. Maisy
https://kaimairifle.co.nz/
The trend and best use case for magnums is long heavy for caliber bullets. In 7mm this is 180's. This is right at the edge of magazine length for a S/A. Combine this with a very fat case to get enough powder in to the short magazine and you have a cartridge that needs to be individually tuned for feeding, and even then can be unreliable. Not ideal in a factory chambering.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beetroot
The long action makes way more sense imo. Better form factor for feeding, way more mag space and only a small sacrifice of weight/length.
These new cartridges are less about making something new and more about improving on an existing formula, then making it readily available with a bit of good old fashioned marketing.
Be interesting to see what platforms chamber it. Looks very impressive though, hard to beat 7mm’s. Would love to see a few factory offerings that are reliably available for it. I’d say it will take a couple years to get a solid and reliable place in nz markets
Does not do anything that the 7mm Blaser mag doesn’t already offer. Hornady marketing hype.
Brass and die availability will be the only plus
Apparently Hornady factory ammo early next year, and Hardys are taking orders for their rifles ( will also have dies and components available to rifle purchasers).Quote:
Originally Posted by wayno
The best part of the 7mm PRC is it will do what the Blaser mag does but we will see more than one brand of brass, dies etc as no doubt it will end up like the other two PRC's with being able to get Lapua, ADG, Norma brass also and even factory ammo for those that want it.Quote:
Originally Posted by chainsaw
Cant argue with your logic, the only counter point would be the better inherent accuracy of the short fat type casesQuote:
Originally Posted by Nick-D
This is a 30-06 length cartridge (OAL 3.340”) with base the same as 300WSM ( 0.535”).
So it not a modernised 7mm Rem Mag. Wont match its ballistics but it doesn't need a H&H sized action.
A solid step up from 284win and the WSMs and SAUMs. An extra half inch of case will go a long way.
This could position itself as a grunty all rounder for NZ hunting.
Are any factory actions made for this combination of bolt face and length yet ?
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Originally Posted by Bagheera
It should better the ballistics can a rem mag push a 180 3000fps out of a 24” tube? I suppose it probably can with the right combo I ran 175s pretty fast once but it was way over pressure cases were one and done I typically used the 162amax and 2225 for 3030fps
I’m also not sure about that action bolt face combo but these designs more have standard mag box’s in mind no actually action legnth I thought no one’s ever moaning about action legnth being to short but mag box’s continue to let people down . Will make it a hit on a factory magnum action with a standard magnum mag box seated way out
Cool, there will be some REM Mags & WSM’s coming up for sale here soon :D:D:D
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@SPEARONZ That more or less matches the blaser mag powder charge vs velocity With rl26 so I’d believe it the blaser mag was a little faster though I ran 67 or 68gns can’t remember for 3060fps with 180 vld and eldm with a 26” tube and I believe this is designed around a 24” tube like the 7LRM 180s at 3000 was the goal
Bang on @Kelton. My BM running 180VLDs with 67-68gn RL26 for 3050fps from 26in bbl . And just north of 3100fps with RL26 & 175ELDx. Case capacities must be very similar. I got a decent supply of BM brass but one wonders if the PRC case can be re-sized or fire formed to BM ?
Even with the magic of Hornady Hype, I doubt it will overtake the 7 Rem Mag...
Funny how Hornady's offerings, even before the 6.5 CM, have basically been, do what Remington did, but change it a little so people will need new rifles/brass/dies/barrels
Almost as if Remington had competent engineers but shitty management... who would have thought! :ORLY:
I can see the attraction of 7mm prc.
But I think it's marketing hype and I'd be alot happier if companies started making more projectiles, cases etc etc of what we already have calibre wise than bringing out new whizbang calibres that existing calibres already fulfill the role of.
The one calibre that has however caught my eye is the 277 sig fury and how cases are made up of multiple metals. That has got my interest indeed
Worth a listen
'Gunwerks The 7 PRC'
https://youtu.be/neWwwSd2WYw
Pretty much a 7BM but with super accurate ammo off the shelf!
As much as I dislike having to reload I think the good old 7saum will stay my go to. Drops big reds at 600 to 700 yards with ease. What more do you need?!
Gavin from UR has a few videos on it, including a good one comparing the three PRC’s
https://youtu.be/uaFsGDP5udo
https://youtu.be/gSAYHl8gdjY
My shoves 180 ELD-M 2840 with a less than max RE26 load
Sure, the figures above are a useful increase, but with the 180’s very high BC, I’m not sure the increased velocity is necessary for most of us.
I guess Hornady’s support with loaded ammo will help market the thing, if we see any of it.
