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    ancient percussion lock identification

    Im currently working on stabilizing the oldest wooden dwelling in the South Island built between 1840 and 1843.
    All work is being done under an archaeological authority and supervision.
    Im finding and bagging absolutely hundreds ( maybe a thousand by now ) of interesting artifacts that all get bagged and tagged.

    This evening I found a book in a wall space above a window in the loft and also ..... an intact percussion lock.
    Pretty cool when you are a mad keen hunter and gun nut.

    Here are some images of the lock.
    Im keen to have an idea of exactly what it is before I have a meeting in CHCH on Thursday with the lead archaeologist.

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    There are two small markings on the trigger sear visible in one of the close ups.
    The hammer was left fully cocked and the sear is still mover freely.

    Thoughts from those with knowledge about such items much appreciated.

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    ancient percussion lock identification

    Looks like a sidelock off and old side by side shotgun.

    Very cool finds! Post some more of the stuff, finding treasure is awesome!
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    P53 Enfield Lock

    Pretty much the same as a Snider Lock.
    The First Sniders were P53's with the end cut off and a Breech screwed on.
    The later Sniders were build from the ground up as Breech Loaders.
    Citric acid in an ultrasonic cleaner should reveal the legend "TOWER" stamped behind the Hammer on the lock plate.
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    Sorry to be sidetracked but it sounds like a great project - any pictures of the house?
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    It is definitely not a P53 Enfield or Snider lock. It is a from a French military musket, circa 1830, many of which were converted from flintlock to percussion.

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    I think its off an early Purdy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gundoc View Post
    It is definitely not a P53 Enfield or Snider lock. It is a from a French military musket, circa 1830, many of which were converted from flintlock to percussion.
    Ok I will fill in a few of the blanks for you then.


    The house is in Akaroa Harbour, Banks Peninsula.
    It was built by the French Navy in around 1840 to 1843 while they were stationed in Akaroa to protect the interests of the original French settlers that arrived in Akaroa shortly after sovereignty had been established by a British Court of Law.
    The house is considered to be the oldest dwelling still existing intact in the South Island and has considerable historic merit.
    It has not been used as a dwelling for around 100 years and is quite unique in never having had any plumbing or electricity installed and is therefore almost as built.

    Im open to all suggestions as to it provenance and have a totally open mind as to French or English origin as it was lived in by original settlers for maybe 5 decades after the French Navy left the area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maca49 View Post
    I think its off an early Purdy?
    Due to the style and shape?
    Or the small symbols on the sear ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gundoc View Post
    It is definitely not a P53 Enfield or Snider lock. It is a from a French military musket, circa 1830, many of which were converted from flintlock to percussion.
    That does look right.

    knew I should have gone up stairs to look at mine.

    Pictures of the project please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by norsk View Post
    That does look right.

    knew I should have gone up stairs to look at mine.

    Pictures of the project please.
    This is what it looked like prior to the Canterbury quakes.
    When I got involved it was leaning 5 degrees towards the east from all the shakes and 175 year old studs and piles.
    Still plenty to do but its not likely to fall over now and all the props and temporary timbers are starting to come off.
    Replace all the buggered weatherboards and a new roof and this stage is completed.

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    So does anyone have an image of something the same or very close to back up the debate ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by akaroa1 View Post
    Due to the style and shape?
    Or the small symbols on the sear ?
    The rust!
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    Quote Originally Posted by norsk View Post
    That does look right.

    knew I should have gone up stairs to look at mine.

    Pictures of the project please.
    It not a snider, muzzle loader, French house? French connection? French?
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    Thats the old place out the Wainui side near French Farm.....correct? Search the List | French Farm House | Heritage New Zealand

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathias View Post
    Thats the old place out the Wainui side near French Farm.....correct? Search the List | French Farm House | Heritage New Zealand
    Correct.

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    if you clean up the internals you will be able to identify the markings on the parts . Someone local to you will have the Standard Directory of Proof Marks book that will show the approximate age and country of origin.
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