Another "What Rifle" thread. Norinco JW-15 vs Ruger 10/22

Hey all. I apologise for another one of these threads, but I want to get some opinions on a pee shooter.

I have an opportunity to shot possums and rabbits on a block of land very close to me, BUT it must be a .22 I do not own a .22 so I need to get one. Now I have had .22's in the past (sterling, norinco em332) but never a semi. The ruger appeals but at $599 for a suppressed 4x32 scope stainless version I am a little unsure if I want to spend that much on a bunny gun. So someone suggested a Norinco JW15. Now I have had a play with one at H&F and fuck me that's a horrible action, but I am assured they get better with use, and are fairly accurate.

The rugger is obviously much better quality, but the norinico is CHEAP. What do you guys reckon. I am not adverse to spending the $600, but if I can get something as good for less, or something better for the same i'd be all over it. I'd like a nice CZ, but they are too much for a gun that gets used once in a blue moon. Ideally i'd like to get the ruger bare, and buy a DPT supressor and a nice leupold/redfield/nikon/bushnell 3-9x40, but then the cost goes up even more, so fuck knows.

Marlin

Maybe a marlin semi, good reviews, rugers were better when they were free floated and made of steel

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If buying a semi I'd go Marlin over Ruger, much better rep for accuracy. Both have horrible heavy triggers as standard though.

JW-15s do smooth out a bit over time (and can be polished up with a bit of work). Savage, Marlin, Zastava other good accurate bolt actions. Savage triggers are the nicest IMO. Best to handle a few options in the shop and see which you prefer the feel of.

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Originally Posted by Toby

Marlin

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Marlin XT22
or Marlin 795?

If the 795 thats $349 plus threading and suppressor, so another $120-130 so that makes it $469-479 it's under $500 which is good. The XT22 is even cheaper $449 with everything.

How does the Remington 597 stack up against the Ruger and the Marlin?

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Originally Posted by Brennos

Marlin XT22
or Marlin 795?

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Do you want bolt or semi :)

Serious shooters do JW's for 180.

Mate, you mention the CZ and $600, I assume you mean the bolt action 452, model 1/2 Brno etc?
Buy a good condition second hand brno/cz and you will be far far happier than the other options brand new, they pop up for around $600 often (talking bolts here, no experience with the semis.) Just my opinion.
The Marlin would be my next choice, The 10/22 is cool but you need to spend $$$$$ on them to get them shooting well. I hate Norincos!

Keep in mind the quality of ammo you use when you do have your rifle of choice as it makes a big difference over any sort of distance i've found.. I regret buying a Ruger 10/22 i'd recommend something?? not sure what.. Reliablity in regards to cycling ammo has been great but has taken a bit of work to improve its accuracy out of the box.

First work out if you want semi or bolt.

If semi then go Marlin 795, saw them for $299 new somewhere. Trigger is bad but easy to fix yourself, unlike the 10/22.

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Originally Posted by Savage1

First work out if you want semi or bolt.

If semi then go Marlin 795, saw them for $299 new somewhere. Trigger is bad but easy to fix yourself, unlike the 10/22.

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The Marlin semi trigger can be fixed normally with just a floppy shutter spring and 5 minutes. The Marlin bolts with a pen spring and 10 minutes. They both still shoot well out of the box. I have a secondhand JW that cost very little and shoots amazingly.

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How does the Remington 597 stack up against the Ruger and the Marlin?

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Brothers 597 was a jamtastic piece of shit, tried multiple mags and ammo in it and nothing seemed to help.

And while we're sharing, buddy at work bought a Mossberg 802 brand new, got it home to find swarf all through the trigger assembly.


Moral of the story, every .22 is bad. Just buy a Mosin, now only $245 at Reloaders!

haha. I am going to buy another one. I messaged Dan and asked him JW15 and a mosin, or a Ruger lol. Check your facebook in a bit too Az.

At this stage i am leaning towards the Ruger as it's a complete package that I can shoot NOW. Where as the Marlin requires threading and fucking about, plus there seems to be enough add ons for the ruger to sink a tactical battle ship, which would be nice for a change. Going to go into Serious shooters tomorrow and see how they both fit and feel me, and see which ones feels best.

ive got a 10 22 and a 597 i must have got a good one as it shits all over the ruger someone mentioned a zastava ive had one very nice rifle for the price they are big on them in aussie

If you might spend money improving it later then get the 10/22. Even if just a bit here and there. Trigger kits for like $50, bolt buffers and guide rods, etc. So many after market parts/upgrades it's ridiculous.

If you want something as-is out of the box then i'd probably recommend you get something else.

I love my 10/22 but it cost a lot to get it to where I'm happy with it. And it'll probably be an ongoing project.

Norincos are like a box of chocolates. :) If I had to get a 22 semi I'd probably save up and get a CZ or better (quality is long remembered after the price).

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Norincos are like a box of chocolates. :) If I had to get a 22 semi I'd probably save up and get a CZ or better (quality is long remembered after the price).

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What's better than a cz ? Was looking at volquartsen for a mate but the importer told me it would be over a year to get and didn't even bother to reply to my email.

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What's better than a cz ? Was looking at volquartsen for a mate but the importer told me it would be over a year to get and didn't even bother to reply to my email.

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Right you are, the last CZ 22 I fiddled with in a shop was sweet. I've been thinking as semis go the Anschutz Black Hawk is kind of sexy in an H&K kind of way.
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That Mauser is pretty sweet too!

I use a Voere semi, very accurate and with the cci .22 standard velocity it barely makes a sound.Attachment 14994

If you want to just get out there and shoot, and put the rifle away when you're done?
Marlin 795. Pay to get it threaded and suppressed. Can get the threading done AND a suppressor for $150 or less.

If you love to tinker (like me), Ruger 10/22.
Not as accurate as the Marlin straight from the box, but f**k they're fun to fiddle with. They're the lego toy of the gun world :D

Well I went and had a fit and feel of a Marlin, Savage, and a Ruger. Without going into details to avoid arguments, I personally felt the Ruger fitted me well, the savage fitted me best, but at $575 for just the gun and scope it wasn't particularly good value compared to the Ruger which was $599 for a scope, suppressor and gun. Now obviously the scope and suppressor are junk, but the scope on the savage is equally as shit. So the savage would of cost me about $50-75 more for threading, plus the suppressor.

So I ended up with a Ruger 10/22 Stainless combo with a 4x32 scope and cheap suppressor. Going to take it out this weekend for a shoot. Ill probably shoot it till the scope fucks out and chuck a second had bushnell/refield/leupold 3-9x40 at it. I enjoy tinkering, so who knows might have a play with this one, as it seems as if you can buy pretty much anything for it...

This all looks rather personal. Norinco appears to be definitely out. Maybe your question is really bolt v semi. My 2 cents worth is if you want to semi then get a Ruger as they are bullet proof as hell and I own one (with a trigger upgrade). If you want a bolt then buy a CZ. I don't own one but I know they shoot well and are bullet proof as well. If you think you are going to shoot a lot of subsonic then buy a bolt action. Don't skimp ... invest well. Secondhand on trade me (if you can sight it or even, better shoot it) always has nice rifles. Also send an email to your local or regional gun shops and tell them you are on the look out for a good quality trade-in. Only one of my .22's was brand new. Keep safe in the hills.

FWIW I changed from 10/2 to JW15 30 years ago and stayed. That was before aftermarket existed. Neither were super accurate at 50m and both had heavy triggers. The norinco's is heavy but crsp. Recently replaced extractor spring and caws and silencer. The ruger would jam once every 50 rounds - very annoying and impossible to fix. As a semi, it was always loaded just when I least needed it ie after I'd shot something. Also a wee learning curve for strangers to operate the bolt. That's my experience, I understand ruger can be very refined now.