Thread: Any one have there B-cat?

You both make very good points.

There are risks involved with letting them be used in the public eye for hunting eg being visible in public areas, in vehicles more. These are risks that have no real need to be taken as we already have better, safer tools for the job.

I agree that 99% of people with the endorsement would be fine using them for hunting as they're in general, more responsible than the average person.

These are probably the most dangerous weapon you can get due to its size, so there needs to be some very strict rules in place.

I would love to get a pistol and blast away with it. But I hate the idea of getting a civilian to tell the Police I'm good enough to have a licence. And if I did get one I would be as frustrated as hell that I couldn't go for a blast on the farm with it.

I do agree with most of your points and can certainly see your side of it. But I can see it from the other side to.

PNZ doesnt want it....
Hell you cant even go to the range on your own and most ranges you cant even shoot at unless an official club night

Can you explain it from the other point a little more please

Originally Posted by Toby

Can you explain it from the other point a little more please

By letting pistols be used for hunting it will make them easier to be stolen, lost or obtained by undesirable people.

Imagine you were a Police officer and you get called to a disorder job and get there and there are some criminals facing off against each other, you put on a TASER just in case but not a glock because there is no sign of weapons. When speaking to them one pulls a pistol out, you're fucked.

Doing a search warrants, pistols can be hidden lots more places.

You pull over a car and the person has a pistol in his lap and shoots you without warning, happens in the USA often. You can see if they are holding a rifle as you approach them.

Imagine how Police would feel if a change in rules like this happened that had a very real chance of making their job more dangerous for the sake of a few people wanting to shoot animals with a pistol.

Not sure that came out how I wanted it to.

I think that would have more to do with police standard operating procedures more than anything else. There have been cases where police have knocked on a door and been faced by somebody with a long gun. I think a rifle poses far more risk to your safety than a handgun, just by pure physics it will do a lot more damage. You gotta remember our cops are not routinely armed or wearing ballistic protection anyway - if they pull somebody over and they jump out with a rifle or shotty, they're in the shit. But anyway that isn't the point. I personally think that if B catters got to shoot on the farm or in the bush or what ever, the sky wouldn't fall.

Yes but if criminals had pistols they would be more likely to carry firearms because of the ease and conceal-ability. Especially in vehicles or on the street. The criminals have the advantage in that the Police can only react.

The vest Police wear is designed to stop 9mm.

The sky might not fall but is it worth the risk so you can go shoot some animals with pistols because you enjoy it? Would you explain this to the widow and kids left behind of an officer or victim killed with a pistol?

Thank you for that, I did help me see it a lot clearer from your side.

But still, Criminals will get pistols without licences anyway. Their criminals they don't care about the law.

Restricting people hunting with them legally isn't the best solution.

Originally Posted by Savage1

Yes but if criminals had pistols they would be more likely to carry firearms because of the ease and conceal-ability. Especially in vehicles or on the street. The criminals have the advantage in that the Police can only react.

The vest Police wear is designed to stop 9mm.

The sky might not fall but is it worth the risk so you can go shoot some animals with pistols because you enjoy it? Would you explain this to the widow and kids left behind of an officer or victim killed with a pistol?

How does that relate to an endorsement holder hunting? Can't remember the last time one of them shot a cop

Originally Posted by Savage1

By allowing them to be used for hunting will just attract a lot of undesirable people What is Hunting to be an exclusive sport now! wanting them to go blazing around after goats in the bush. There is no need for them in hunting when we have rifles, fact BullShit!. It would also give people an excuse to be carrying a pistol in their vehicle or while deer stalking, "I was just going hunting".

By restricting them to range use it means if you are really passionate about them you can still go shoot with them.

Bows cannot hold 17 arrows and be fired on semi auto one handed, all while being able to be slipped into your waistline where no one can see it.Rifles can do this too

Savage I think youv'e missed the point altogether.

Originally Posted by Spanners

PNZ doesnt want it....
Hell you cant even go to the range on your own and most ranges you cant even shoot at unless an official club night

Your on to it Spanners.

We told PNZ to shove it where the sun doesn't shine.

Our Club is one of a growing number of pistol clubs in NZ that are NOT affiliated to PNZ and certainly dont play by their rules.

Originally Posted by Savage1

Yes but if criminals had pistols they would be more likely to carry firearms because of the ease and conceal-ability. Especially in vehicles or on the street. The criminals have the advantage in that the Police can only react.

The vest Police wear is designed to stop 9mm.

The sky might not fall but is it worth the risk so you can go shoot some animals with pistols because you enjoy it? Would you explain this to the widow and kids left behind of an officer or victim killed with a pistol?

I think you have gone way off on a tangent there savage. There is already an "undesireable" section of society that is armed and there is nothing that can be done about it, and believe it or not they already have access to handguns. This isnt about the criminal fraternity and them being armed, this is about endorsed lisence holders and them hunting with B's.

Originally Posted by Savage1

Yes but if criminals had pistols they would be more likely to carry firearms because of the ease and conceal-ability. Especially in vehicles or on the street. The criminals have the advantage in that the Police can only react.

The vest Police wear is designed to stop 9mm.

The sky might not fall but is it worth the risk so you can go shoot some animals with pistols because you enjoy it? Would you explain this to the widow and kids left behind of an officer or victim killed with a pistol?

Savage
Criminals in NZ already have illeagle pistols And Rifles and other firearms in their posession.
Criminals are criminals .......... They have made a consious decision to live outside of the law hence the 1%er symbol.
Criminals will always have illeagle pistols and other firearms in their posession because they are criminals.
Criminal will always seek way of obtaining illeagl firearms.

Honest Law abiding NZ citizens should not be punished or made to pay for any criminals activity.

Originally Posted by P38

Your on to it Spanners.

We told PNZ to shove it where the sun doesn't shine.

Our Club is one of a growing number of pistol clubs in NZ that are NOT affiliated to PNZ and certainly dont play by their rules.

True? When I mentioned at our service club meeting that we should try become recognized as an independent pistol club the idea got shot down. It was said that the cops were making all non pnz affiliated clubs get in line and affiliate or face closure. The higher ups in our club didn't want to rock the boat on the issue. I thought it would be cool to set up pistol COF's and mix them in with our service rifle COF's to make it more interesting.

Originally Posted by Beavis

True? When I mentioned at our service club meeting that we should try become recognized as an independent pistol club the idea got shot down. It was said that the cops were making all non pnz affiliated clubs get in line and affiliate or face closure. The higher ups in our club didn't want to rock the boat on the issue. I thought it would be cool to set up pistol COF's and mix them in with our service rifle COF's to make it more interesting.

Yeah I heard that too.

It's all Bullshit put out by PNZ because they fear loosing control.

It's PNZ that wants this not the Police.

I know of three clubs in the North Island that have started up that are not affiliated with PNZ.

There has never been a requirement to be affiliated with PNZ..... it is just easier at the beginning thats all.

Form an incorporated society whos aims are to provide it's members with and promote the safe handling and competitions for pistol shooting and your away.

Yea that was my thinking. There is nothing expressed in law saying you HAVE to affiliate with PNZ, it is just easier because of the memorandum of understanding or whatever it is called. I can't actually find the minimum attendance thing or anything like that in the act either