Thread: Best reticle for holdover FFP

the Maven RS1.2 mil reticule is probably one of the best FFP reticle I looked through for holdover.

The track toric ffp scopes 2.5-15 or 4-20 is not bad either , about $1600 landed here.
The Burris veracity is another candidate for an ffp.
Also with sika show and Black Friday coming soon watch for some good deal to happen.

Originally Posted by Mrfants

7mm08

Currently Zerod at 100 m.

At 200m distance I have to hold over by 310mm and I dont really have any indicator in the reticle to do that.

Woo up there brother...... something doesn't add up here ?.... 12" of drop at 200m with a 100m zero for a 7mm08 ? Are you shooting subs or something !

I was thinking that, doesn’t make any sense 310mm drop over 100yds.

I tend to agree zero for 200 hold on the backbone at 300 and what ever you’re shooting at is dead.

Originally Posted by Mrfants

7mm08

Currently Zerod at 100 m.

At 200m distance I have to hold over by 310mm and I dont really have any indicator in the reticle to do that.

So what you’re saying is zero at 200m and shoot straight up to 300m?

How many mm aprox would I hold under to shoot deed at 100m?



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@Mrfants that doesn’t sound right mate. Even with a 100 zero, most guns aren’t dropping a foot at 200.

What speed are your bullets doing?

My vote is for a simple Mil Dot
Use Mil adjustments and you can alternate with dial up depending how much time you have.
You can even stack dialing plus holdover or make small hold adjustments from shot to shot from a dialed setting.
A simple one is verty flexible by calibre/rifle/environment as long as you have a good range card taped to the butt.

Things to consider when using FFP reticles are:
In a hurry, its hard to count numbers of dots or hashes past about 3 or 4.
At low power like 3-4x you're usually close enough you don't need to hold out.
The reticle marks should be the same units as your dial clicks ie mil/mil or moa/moa.
It's difficult to see fine reticles at low power so my preference is for a thick one up to about 0.2 mils (20mm@100m) whichg is still plenty fine enough for any hunting application.
If you think you'll use an app to calculate each shot then practice and see if you can use it in all conditions.
I haven't used self adjusting scope like the old Burris Eliminator but they could have some merit.

Originally Posted by Mrfants

7mm08

Currently Zerod at 100 m.

At 200m distance I have to hold over by 310mm and I dont really have any indicator in the reticle to do that.

So what you’re saying is zero at 200m and shoot straight up to 300m?

How many mm aprox would I hold under to shoot deed at 100m?



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When i had my 7mm08 1.7 inches high at 100y was bang on at 200y. what i can remember it was around 1m drop at 400/450 yards

Originally Posted by Bagheera

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My vote is for a simple Mil Dot
Use Mil adjustments and you can alternate with dial up depending how much time you have.
You can even stack dialing plus holdover or make small hold adjustments from shot to shot from a dialed setting.
A simple one is verty flexible by calibre/rifle/environment as long as you have a good range card taped to the butt.

Things to consider when using FFP reticles are:
In a hurry, its hard to count numbers of dots or hashes past about 3 or 4.
At low power like 3-4x you're usually close enough you don't need to hold out.
The reticle marks should be the same units as your dial clicks ie mil/mil or moa/moa.
It's difficult to see fine reticles at low power so my preference is for a thick one up to about 0.2 mils (20mm@100m) whichg is still plenty fine enough for any hunting application.
If you think you'll use an app to calculate each shot then practice and see if you can use it in all conditions.
I haven't used self adjusting scope like the old Burris Eliminator but they could have some merit.

Not many scopes come with simple Mildot these days, especially not in FFP.

I think the Nikko Stirling scopes are one of the few that still do, other than considerably more expensive scopes (Schmidts etc).

The Leupold TMR reticle is another good choice, but not sure it comes in a scope that meets the OPs magnification and price bracket.

Originally Posted by Beetroot

What scope do you currently have?

I have a Kahles 4-12x50


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Originally Posted by NIMROD

Woo up there brother...... something doesn't add up here ?.... 12" of drop at 200m with a 100m zero for a 7mm08 ? Are you shooting subs or something !

I sighted in on a 400m range w an experienced hunter of 40 years. I’m not experienced (obviously).

Here’s the stats:

7mm08 handloads


Zero at 100m
200m 160 mm drop
250m 340 mm drop
300m 530mm drop

Everything was measured and I got a position in my reticle by trial and error.

I was hitting right close to the bulls @ 200m as per photo.

But it’s v different out on a hunt and I don’t want to injure or miss an animal hence my query about a scope with a better reticle for holdover.


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Originally Posted by McNotty

@Mrfants that doesn’t sound right mate. Even with a 100 zero, most guns aren’t dropping a foot at 200.

What speed are your bullets doing?

I’ll check the ammo as there is a ‘recipe’ on the handloads I got


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Originally Posted by Mrfants

I’ll check the ammo as there is a ‘recipe’ on the handloads I got


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139 GR sst
38.0 ADI BM2


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Tract Toric or Maven RS1.2 2.5-15x44 are likely going to be your best options in your price range.
A March 3-24x42 would be even better but need to try find used to fit your budget.

Some other options in no particular order are:
Vortex Strike Eagle 3-18x44
Arken 4-16x44
Burris Veracity 3-15x50
Nikko Stirling 4-16x44

You can often find used Delta Styker 4.5-30x56 scopes for crazy cheap prices ($1500-2200), this would be a killer option but probably too big and bulky for what you want.

It sounds like you are doing some longer distance shooting, so the above scopes should all be ok with regard to reticle thickness.
Unfortunately it’s hard to get a lightweight 30mm tube, FFP scope, with a reticle that’s designed for close distance hunting.

Originally Posted by Mrfants

139 GR sst
38.0 ADI BM2


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That's a pretty light load, I'm guessing you are at around 2500fps. Here's what a deer looks like with a 200m zero for interests sake.

With a half decent 140 gn pill @ 3850 fps you should be less than 2 moa low at 200 and less than 5 moa at 300 meters.


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