Where as my Mossberb MVP is an absolute laser ... in the right hands it is shooting 1 inch groups at 200mQuote:
Originally Posted by SiB
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Where as my Mossberb MVP is an absolute laser ... in the right hands it is shooting 1 inch groups at 200mQuote:
Originally Posted by SiB
Just picked up a Howa mini.:cool:
Son likes the 64 gr Game Kings in his Steyr Prohunter.
Got Steyr spelt correctly this time.
Hi I i stopped in at the Taihape Sports to see if i could find a L/H 223 didn't have anything but the owner Giles Stanford showed me a stainless with wooden stock Browning x bolt R/H action bloody nice rifles rotary mag and his prices are very sharp ph 06 388 1762 hope that helps. Remington yer-na CZ are good savage are good tikka are ok I just brought a cz 204 L/h action nice I like it:thumbsup:
Ok, so from this im seeing that most 223 in country will or can do the trick, and in fact besides possibly finish and a few aesthetics the earlier comment that you may be paying a lot for not much more sounds about right, but i do appreciate an action that is smooth, hell ive owned a few clunkers for fun, Mosins, Carcarno's the odd enfield, hell i even lugged around an Omark .308 single shot around some hills, great for longer shots but man!
lets look at this a different direction, which again will be rather subjective. what is nice to have and what is needed.
i'll put my head a little on the block to get a healthy conversation going, again im biased as im looking for a rifle that i can have good repeatable accuracy, one i can reload for to obtain well under sub MOA, im a fussy bugger when it gets to accuracy, my previous semi auto on a good day was .3 moa 4 round groups.
happy with barrel length around 20inch last rifle was 18inch which wasn't cumbersome, 2 inches more isn't going to be the death of me, plus it had a muzzle break. I would like to have a higher magazine capacity- so the ability of an after market mag also allowing seating depth options would be nice.
Rates of twist, 1/7 1/8 1/9 ?? i do appreciate a slightly heavier projectile than 55gr but have a few projectiles needing to be pulled so thats a wee supply of them, but i can see the benefit of 70gr projectiles, and now this is a bolt rifle im not going to consume the same amount of projectiles i did with my old semi.
ive been warned away from recent/newer remington's which i was surprised about, im also unsure around heavier barrels and fluted barrels, so thoughts on 223, need not needed?
@mudgripz i will give you a bell soon and come over and have a look at your rifle.
Another reason im asking is that some new shooter may stumble onto this and it could be a useful read, even give them options a different price points?
Howa 223's can be had with a 10 shot mag. Not sure if the mini actions have this as standard. I added an aftermarket kit and mag to mine.
No one has mentioned the Savage lightweight. There is still the odd one around and they are a very cool little rifle. Light and accurate and fast twist. They are in stainless or blue.
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Anyone runnig a zastava im following this with intrest as night get the mrs a 222 or 223
Great little rifle and excellent for what you are thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by northdude
I have one in 223 and love it. It's a massive-me size.Quote:
Originally Posted by northdude
Ive gad one for some time, love it great little rifle. They just need a man sized bolt knob. Early ones were 1:12, later production 1:10 so 69 grains is about your limit. Dont get hung up on bullet weight, ask anyone who shot for the nzfs what the Norma 52 grain 222 could do.
I'm personally looking at a Howa 1500 in a regular or mini action and #6 contour stainless barrel/action depending on availability to pair it up with one of these chassis
MDT HS3 chassis $900-$1100
MDT Oryx $700
MDT LSS $900-$1000
MDT LSS XL Gen 2 (not here yet?)
GRS Berserk $800
GRS BiFrost $1000
KRG Bravo $1000
KRG Xray $1100+?
The Howa is guaranteed 1 MOA and is a much nicer rifle than the Ruger American which is sold at the same price here in NZ, but in the US the Howa is the more expensive rifle. Once in the chassis it's going to be even more of a tack driver for varmints, plinking, and precision rifle comps.
Slap on a Vortex Diamondback tactical 4-18/6-24 or Strike Eagle 3-18 and it'll be a sub $3000 build that'll likely shoot 0.5 MOA all day.
Probably gonna try one of the new Greystone Guns K baffle suppressors in either the 4k or 6k lengths.
I grabbed a sauer 100. Its a bit heavy but its got an amazing trigger and so far its looking like the tmk or 69g seirras will be very good. Bit more tinkering to go yet but its 1/2 moa already.
"1moa guarantees" make me laugh, I don't think I've encountered a modern rifle that won't do 1moa or better with ammunition it likes. Clever marketing to make a feature out of guaranteeing similar accuracy to its competitors I guess.
I’ve had some experience with both the 8 and 12 twist Tikka’s .
Loved both of them and the little super light version just kept stacking the Aussie outback ammo into tiny little groups.
I reloaded the fast twist varmint with 69 gr Sierra TMK and Hornady 75 eldm and they were both crazy accurate with good speeds (3100)
Mag length not a real issue with the .223 Tikka’s
there is 1 on tradme with a suppressor and scope at the momentQuote:
Originally Posted by northdude
Good luck. Next shipment in 3 months already sold out. Waiting to hear back from guncity as they parallel import them. Heavy barrel 223 is damn near impossible to get at the moment unless you get the 18 inch model.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macca
Yep, that's my pick if I was going for a new 223 !
PS. was responding to the Savage LWH option suggested by Tahr.
@bing, here's another pic of mine. From this roar. They are now called the "Lightweight storm" and only seem to be available in stainless.
https://savagearms.com/content?p=fir...ummary&s=57073
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I have one too, its great :)
If anyone really wants a heavy barrel 223 Howa SS with a suppressor I know someone who is considering parting with their varmint rig @Tertle this may or may not be something you will be interested in....It is a slower twist 1:12 I think, and really likes 50gr or less, some 55 shoot well in it but 35gr Vmaxs are nearly lasers.....The Tikka will be in a better condition with less use, but the howa still has quite some life in her yet....Quote:
Originally Posted by Konev
Yep, Am bloody pleased Giles has his sports shop in my home town!Quote:
Originally Posted by 57jl
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The Ruger American Ranch is a factory 16" and screw cut when you buy it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macca
In my opinion the Ruger American also has a better stock and action interface.
I await my chassis and mags as I type this for my Ruger American Ranch
So .223 is all good for deer hunting? How about hogs?
I can't decide whether to go for a .308, .223 or 7.62x39 Howa 1500. .223 would be cheaper to shoot but I don't know if it's ethical to hunt deer and pigs with it, .308 is just expensive, x39 seems like a good middle ground but I think it has accuracy issues with the cheap steel case stuff.
Contact "The Bomb" as he has extensive knowledge hunting deer with that calibre!Quote:
Originally Posted by TheWuce
I love the .223 on deer... either a good 55 or 63 gr Sierra and you won't look back :thumbsup:
308 not really that expensive....Try Ammo direct ($140 per 100 rounds) or Belmont $108 per 100 with SP. 308 is a fairly decent choice and has more legs than the x39. I would use x39 on hogs before I used 223 but would usually take the 308 because it covers all.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheWuce
Completely agree. .308 is one of thr cheapest centrefire to run (along with. 223 and 7.63x39) and in my view the most versatile.Quote:
Originally Posted by timattalon
The Belmont ammo, has to be the best deal out there in terms of quality vs price.
Is recoil an issue for you?.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheWuce
Go 308, the 762x39's ok for plinking and under 150m but the 308 will get you to the 300m zone with enough energy left for a good kill. Once you have the 308 you can get the others anyway and a lot of the cheap x39 ammo's drying up. Pretty much only five dollars a box difference now so go the more power option.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheWuce
My 2c worth. Have owned four varmint contour Tikkas, a 1:8" .223, a 1:14" .22-250, a 1:12" .204 Ruger (all Aussie rifles) and the current NZ 1:12" .223 Super Varmint.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisW
Every one of these rifles has printed bug holes out of the box with sensible hand loads. Uses were roo culling, thru' foxes and wild dogs, bunnies, and wallabys in TAS, to the current vermin and small deer now. In NZ the current Super Varmint has performed very well on fallow and yearling reds with soft 50-55gr bullets, Z-Max, Berger Varmint, Sierra Blitzking and Nosler Varmaggedon.
If I was to buy another .224 calibre, it would be a Tikka Varmint or Super Varmint every time no question. I do miss the 1:8" twist but in all honesty the 1:12" in the right place with a BllitzKing is deadly. Yes, I headshoot most of them. Because they have always been half MOA rifles from the get go.
Several other manufacturers make fine rifles in .223. CZ micro actions, Sako of course (thou overpriced), the Rugers are deadly accurate but shitty stocks, and others.
But if I could personally guarantee a fantastic out the box winner (I would if I could), it would be a Tikka Varmint or Super Varmint every time.
haha god damn it, I already emailed Broncos last night asking for a custom package deal with a 7.62x39 Howa+Crossfire II + DPT. Now after looking at Belmont ammo I'm convinced I should go for the .308 instead. Now I have to embarrass myself with an "Um actually" follow up email. Thanks guys.
Shopping for guns is so hard, woe is me.
They'd be able to do the same deal on a 308. Just email back. While your at it go up 2 steps and get that deal in 300 winmag or if your unsure of winmag get 30 06, Get the whole 30 cal family. You deserve it!Quote:
Originally Posted by TheWuce
I took my Tikka Varmint .223 out yesterday to try to back up/confirm my load from the other week was good & stable.
Went pretty well, very consistent gun. Shot at 100m. The numbers are group size in inches. The one with no number is 0.2moa. (only a 3 shot group though)
Not sure im capable of shooting too much better with any consistency without using a better rest. (this was shot off a knock-off harris non-pivoting bipod and a rear bag).
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Id go howa mini action in whatever stock/chassis you want. They are tack drivers even in the standard plastic stock and priced well.
Lots of bits available for them and they come in 8 twist i believe.
Ha, those sneaky cunts at Belmont don't include GST in their advertised price. $200 order magically turned in to a $250 order at checkout. Screw that may as well just buy PPU.
It says on website all prices include GST, it removes it then adds it back on in the cart.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheWuce
No it appears the monkey is correct. I just added some Belmont black to cart, and indeed at checkout they are adding GST on top of the advertised price.Quote:
Originally Posted by Konev
Im abit less likely to purchase a few thousand rounds of it with my incoming confiscation money now that its 15% more expensive than I thought it was.
Strange, I tested it too and no GST got added at the checkout, just price as listed plus $10 shipping.
