Bring A Cat Semi Automatics Back to Trade Me

Since Trade Me prohibited the sale of all semi automatic firearms in March, the market for used semi-auto 22s and shotguns in New Zealand has really dried up.
Trade Me was the main place people went to buy and sell used firearms, so this is a major setback.
The number of firearms currently listed on Trade Me is less than half what it was before their policy change.

I’ve created a petition for Trade Me to allow the sale of all “A” category firearms, as they did before.
Here is the link: https://www.change.org/p/trade-me-tr...egory-firearms

Feel free to sign and share it if you agree.

Cheers,
Kiwigunguy

Forget Trademe and give Doubleshot’s new website your support. gunbrokernz.co.nz

TM is a private platform. A petition doesn’t mean anything to them.
Frankly they can go f**k themselves, stop giving them your money if possible.

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Originally Posted by Kiwigunguy

Since Trade Me prohibited the sale of all semi automatic firearms in March, the market for used semi-auto 22s and shotguns in New Zealand has really dried up....................I’ve created a petition for Trade Me to allow the sale of all “A” category firearms, as they did before.................

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You're dreaming. Show me an example where TradeMe has acquiesced to requests for improvements, changes or services..........and now they have an overseas owner whose major business activity is buying operations, "flossying them" and then selling them for a profit ASAP..

Be logical, ignore TradeMe and support the newly created venue for firearms web site .

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Originally Posted by Rushy

Forget Trademe and give Doubleshot’s new website your support. gunbrokernz.co.nz

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Screw trademe lets get behind gunbrokernz.co.nz

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Originally Posted by Kiwigunguy

Since Trade Me prohibited the sale of all semi automatic firearms in March, the market for used semi-auto 22s and shotguns in New Zealand has really dried up.
Trade Me was the main place people went to buy and sell used firearms, so this is a major setback.
The number of firearms currently listed on Trade Me is less than half what it was before their policy change.

I’ve created a petition for Trade Me to allow the sale of all “A” category firearms, as they did before.
Here is the link: https://www.change.org/p/trade-me-tr...egory-firearms

Feel free to sign and share it if you agree.

Cheers,
Kiwigunguy

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To be honest, fuck Trademe. The more they disallow, the more room it allows for a viable alternative (like gunbroker.co.nz)

Fuck trademe. Anything is better than their bullshit support gunbroker

Plus f**k Change.org.
They are quite happy to host a petition banning ALL semi autos (ie shotguns and rimfires).

Change.org is the biggest waste of space around.
The way they promote their useless petitions, they make seem like only a few more signatures (how many are actually real people?) are all that is required to magically make the request happen.

I wasn't aware that gunbrokernz.co.nz even existed, so thanks for bringing that to my attention.
However, I went over there and there was one firearm listed for sale. One.

You don't seriously think that will replace Trade Me any time in the near future, do you?
It is unlikely that any site will ever surpass the prevalence and ease of use of Trade Me.
They have about 4 million members, or pretty much every adult in the country.
That means that almost every gun owner has a Trade Me account.
How is gunbrokernz ever going to compete with that?

I did find a decent alternative in allgoods.co.nz though.
They allow the sale of all firearms(not just A category) and they make it much easier to contact the seller directly.
There are currently more than 50 firearms listed for sale there.
Check it out here: https://allgoods.co.nz/browse/7641?a...=0&brand_new=0
There is a box in the lower right corner to switch between new and used listings.

The gunbrokernz.co.nz site has only been launched in this last week.

f tm

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Originally Posted by Rushy

The gunbrokernz.co.nz site has only been launched in this last week.

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Quite right............So let's have some patience and give them room to develop. In the meantime, if you want to use TradeMe then do so, but fat chance of getting either substantial support here for a petition or any acceptance of a petition by TradeMe's new owners.

In my opinion, firearms are both sufficiently specialist and taboo at the moment to warrant their own site apart from trade me.

Kiwigunguy


As I said fuck trade me .If every one adopted your attitude nothing would change. Trade me has shat on us at every opportunity and made up their own rules as they see fit regardless of law.The make ardern go away hats hats are another example.Give gunbroker some legs and see where it goes.I have no affiliation with them just would rather firearms have their own site.

Haven’t been on TM in months, and never will again

GunStuff.co.nz is your other option I see someone purchased the HK Mk23 I was considering :oh noes:

Fuck Trademe and Fuck Hunting and Fishing

Yep fuck trademe. Deleted my account after seeing some idiot propaganda on their message board and pointing out the parallels between stalin, Hitler and the fascist ideals

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Originally Posted by Rushy

The gunbrokernz.co.nz site has only been launched in this last week.

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However they have a five shot SKS for sale, what’s with that??

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Originally Posted by Finnwolf

However they have a five shot SKS for sale, what’s with that??

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Why don't you buy it and find out...haha.

I'm guessing that's a listing that Crafty's forgot to take down, although it would be awesome if they were actually still selling SKSs.

To all the people hating on Trade Me, I get it. Their politics are bullshit and I agree with you completely.
I would encourage people to use alternatives such as gunstuff, gunbrokernz, allgoods, etc.

However, I don't think it's wise(or even possible) to just cast TM aside entirely and use another service.
Their market share is overwhelming, to the point that it is almost impossible to avoid using them if you want to buy and sell used goods in this country.
Listings just get far more exposure on Trade Me than they would elsewhere. Hell, many people have TM open in one of their browser tabs 24/7.
To put it into perspective, eBay has 182 million members, of which less than half are in the US, so about 80-90 million US members out of a population of 327 million.
That means that less than 30% of Americans are eBay members. Trade Me, on the other hand, has 3.7 million members out of a population of 4.9 million.
Over 75% of the population in NZ are TM members. There is virtually no other website in the world that has that large a percentage of the population as members.
Therefore, when you list something on Trade Me, it is visible to basically every adult in the country. On the other hand, gunstuff and gunbrokernz have maybe a few thousand members in total.
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, but the fact is you just won't get the same exposure as you would on Trade Me. Period.

My point is that Trade Me is just a tool. I think we're better off trying to use it to our advantage than we are trying to discard it altogether.
Feel free to disagree, but that's where I'm coming from.

Before you write off TM, bear in mind that you'll never be able to just hop on gunstuff or gunbrokernz and pick up a TV, smartphone, furniture, appliance, car, etc.
As good as those websites are, they're ultimately one-trick-ponies. You can't replace a website that sells just about everything with one that sells a very narrow range of items.
The anti-gun crowd would love for us to be forced off of all the popular platforms, just so our exposure is minimised and it's easier to portray us as a fringe group.
Youtube and Facebook have been doing exactly that for years now. Voluntarily leaving those platforms is only going to help them and hurt us.
We need to be seen and heard as widely as possible if we want to have any influence or credibility. The more online presence we have the better. TM is a part of that.
Trade Me would barely notice if we all left their site, but most of us would be hurting to some degree if we were unable to buy or sell guns through their site.
We have no leverage whatsoever in boycotting Trade Me, whereas we represent a much larger percentage of H&F's customers, and therefore our absence will be felt there.

Alright, rant over. Resume ridiculing my ideas.

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Originally Posted by dogmatix

Plus f**k Change.org.
They are quite happy to host a petition banning ALL semi autos (ie shotguns and rimfires).

Change.org is the biggest waste of space around.
The way they promote their useless petitions, they make seem like only a few more signatures (how many are actually real people?) are all that is required to magically make the request happen.

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I don't believe that Change.org is biased. They will allow just about any petition on their site, as long as it isn't libel or advocating violence, etc. They don't discriminate one way or the other.
ThePetitionSite.com, operated by Care2, is biased in that they removed a pro-gun petition yet allow anti-gun petitions. I haven't seen any evidence of Change.org doing that.
There was already a petition on Change.org for Trade Me to stop selling semi-automatics, and it got about 5,000 signatures.
I'd like to see this one exceed that. Even if it doesn't change anything, it at least makes a point.
We can't let anti-gun attacks go unanswered; whenever possible we need to provide the counter-argument for anything our opponents say.
If someone looked on Change.org and saw just the anti-gun petition, it would be easy for them to assume that the public were all against semi-automatics and so on.
On the other hand, if they saw both petitions and ours had just as many if not more signatures, they would have to give our viewpoint at least some credibility.
At least that's the theory. We'll see how we go. These petitions have traditionally fared much better when directed at private companies than at governments.

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Originally Posted by Kiwigunguy

I don't believe that Change.org is biased. They will allow just about any petition on their site, as long as it isn't libel or advocating violence, etc. They don't discriminate one way or the other.
ThePetitionSite.com, operated by Care2, is biased in that they removed a pro-gun petition yet allow anti-gun petitions. I haven't seen any evidence of Change.org doing that.
There was already a petition on Change.org for Trade Me to stop selling semi-automatics, and it got about 5,000 signatures.
I'd like to see this one exceed that. Even if it doesn't change anything, it at least makes a point.
We can't let anti-gun attacks go unanswered; whenever possible we need to provide the counter-argument for anything our opponents say.
If someone looked on Change.org and saw just the anti-gun petition, it would be easy for them to assume that the public were all against semi-automatics and so on.
On the other hand, if they saw both petitions and ours had just as many if not more signatures, they would have to give our viewpoint at least some credibility.
At least that's the theory. We'll see how we go. These petitions have traditionally fared much better when directed at private companies than at governments.

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Yes, I did looked at the petition and thought it was futile (like the old saying "wasted votes"), but I'll go and sign it out of principle.