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Hi guys,
I'm looking for advice on a Bushpig style short barreled rifle build. I currently own a Tikka T3 7mm08 but from what I've seen and heard people have much better results cutting short a 308 rather than 7mm-08 for ballistics and 7mm-08 needing 20" for the bullet to be more stable.
I'm trying to decide whether to try cutting down the 7mm-08 or selling it and buying a 308 to cut down. Keen to hear peoples thoughts.
Cheers
Get the 30-06 Bergara that @tetawa is selling and call it done :)
And stop calling them "Bush Pigs" God I hate that !!!!!!!!!!
7-08 will do it at "bush" ranges just fine. The deer won't be able to tell the difference.
The stability issue is rubbish. An 18" 7/08 is great and can be used on everything close and out to 400 yards or so. 3k from 120's and 2.8K from 140's. Use 145's and 160's too if you want.
The difference between the 7/08 & 308 cut short is negligible. Don't hesitate, just do it and don't blind yourself with anxiety caused by people who own neither.
What should they be called? Sorry that's what they are advertised as just thought that was the term
Methinks the proper old technical term is "carbine". Bush carbine if you will. A short(ened) rifle that is not a pistol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Curtis27
They're just giving you a hard time, because they're old and stubborn. :)
But they're right. Anything will work in the bush, and out to 300m for that matter. No need to get hung up on barrel lengths, ballistics etc,etc unless you're shooting long-range. In which case you'll be doing so much practice & experimenting at the range anyway, that you'll probably come to your own conclusions.
My current bush pig sports a 24" barrel, and it's chambered for the best cartridge in the world. The .270 Win. :thumbsup:
Bush pigs are what my dogs catch on a regular basis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
You youngen's like bush pigs of the human kind to ah @FrodoQuote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
You seen Deliverance- "squeal like a pig boy" :ORLY: :drool:
Anyway - call them what you like but I will NEVER call a rifle I own a "Pig"
Plenty else out there you can put the name too that is more warranted
Bush pigs have two legs and are usually what you take home after 5 or 6 jugs.
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Stick with the 7mm08 just cut it to 17 or 18" load either 120 or 140 Nosler B Tip you don't need a 308.Quote:
Originally Posted by Curtis27
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Go on @Frodo show us miss Piggy :drool:
Bush Carbine has such a more esteemed ring to it:thumbsup: I like that like it a lot:)
So , how long does a “Carbine / Pig” barrel have to be before it transitions into a rifle ?
My 7/08 has an 18" barrel. I shoot 120gr Ballistic tips at 3000fps from it. It is not my main hunting rifle but has taken about 4 deer from 70 - 200yds. All 1 shot kills.
The 303 Jungle Carbine's barrel was 18". That's the benchmark. Flash-hider, optional.
Shot my first deer with a Jungle Carbine using the battle aperture sight and 20yr old CAC ammunition.
Bush Hobbits Short Rifle......is a much betterer term...a bushpig is an ugly sheilah from the next town!!!!
I like carbine usually if something is refered to as a pig its a nicer way of saying piece of shit
Here's a link to some longer-range bushpigs in .308... https://rifleshooter.com/2015/02/the...-action-rifle/
.5 moa at 500 yards is nothing to laughh at with a 16" bushpig. Sorry - tactical carbine.
Nice, young fella! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by stug
Shot my first with a .303 too, back in 1977. Ammo was some good old Forest Service modified military stuff. Mine came from the NZFS 'EF' (Environmental Forestry) workshop in Tremaine Ave in Palmerston North, where some poor sod used to get the task of drilling ex-military 174 gn solids to turn them into hollow points. They worked!
It's one of those pictures where you can see two or three things and your mind switches between them,
I keep thinking of an MG-42...then of my dog when she wanted to play.. then of a bolt action winchester.
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What you have heard of the bullet not stabilising below 20" is not true. You can go as short as 15" if you like and it will be fine (assuming your suppressor will still fit without hitting the stock). Just shoot the appropriate type of bullet/load for the short barrel. The difference between 308 and 7mm08 is negligible. Just chop your 7mm08 and you will be away laughing.
I have a 15 inch 708, works just fine with 120 or 140gr pills. I'd be more than happy taking a 400 yd shot on a deer especially with 140s.
I also have a t3 (was 708) cut to 17 inch and reamed the chamber out to 284 win. It's an awesome allrounder than can push a sleek high bc 162gr bullet at a speed that retains enough energy in theory to perform well on deer to 800 yards.
What you have will be just fine
The carbine is basically a shortened rifle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ground Control
The original Magazine Lee Enfield rifle MLE (aka Long Tom) had a 30.2-inch (770 mm) barrel.
The SHORT MLE had a 25.2 inches (640 mm) barrel but was still called a rifle.
In between, the MLE derived Lee–Enfield Cavalry Carbine Mk I, or LEC, had a 21.2-inch (540 mm) barrel.
All pretty subjective. I suspect most modern hunting rifles nowadays would fall into the carbine category. Less advantage of a long sight radius if you have optical sights, or if stalking bush pigs (optical or iron sights).
I suppose you have a carbine once your rifle is so short and handy it does not catch on stuff all the time.
Whats wrong with a marlin or 94 winnie lever action for bush work? If 250 is your self imposed limit they tick all the boxes and the 170 gr flat point was designed to work pretty well at low speed and not be too worried about the odd twig in the way unlike a wizzbang racing bullet.
I hear you Marty Henry, I'd love to you use my Winchester 94 over the dog but it wouldn't be fair on her ears.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marty Henry
That 94 is such a sweet rifle to carry and point and knocks em over well too. Never pushed it past 150 though, But I imagine it would still perform
out to 200. I'm thinking I might have to move to 170 grainers. They seem to be the ticket over the 150's?
BushQuote:
Originally Posted by Sarvo
Hobbits
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my bush load in the .308 is a big fat round nosed 180grn hornady...not pushed overly fast,deer die ,job done. if it had to be a factory round the winchester 180grn powerpoints are simply plurry AWESOME.
Ok, bush pig Hobbit I have one of thoseQuote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
(Lord of rings )
KH
This is my new 308. T3x cut to 16", cerakoted, fluted bolt, fluted barrel, A tec 150 hertz suppressor topped with a Z3. Shoots the Hornady factory 168 into 0.7" on a windy night. Cant complain. Attachment 112723Attachment 112724Attachment 112725
I cant win with this forum. I tried to flip these up side down to make them the right way up and still no bloody luck. :pissed off:
