Quite right to ,but when that tin can does shoot back I think I will rember tthat I have something better to do .
My days of being a bullet catcher are well over;)
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Quite right to ,but when that tin can does shoot back I think I will rember tthat I have something better to do .
My days of being a bullet catcher are well over;)
An Hk416 may be marginally more reliable if poorly maintained and fired for thousands of rounds fully-automatic in a desert environment without lubrication. I don't think that's going to come up and the downsides don't make that hilarious edge case advantage worth it.
Let's not forget that even a short or long stroke piston system accumulates deposits, and typically have to provide a gas adjustment to cater for the decrease in operating reliability as they get dirty or in adverse conditions...
Think about the design brief that brought about the development of the M16, weight and simplicity were key inputs. The outcome was an ingenious solution with few compromises, and resulted in a tool much more surgical and precise than many alternatives and certainly it's commie counterpart. Something a lot of us Service Rifle shooters take advantage of now.
So slightly back to original post, what do you get from a Daniel Defence over a say windham carbine or NEA for the extra $800 ish?
It may or may not "look" nicer or have better fit and finish, the quality is in the material the gun is made from and the quality control measures it goes through.
For example all the alloy, barrel steel, bolt material, fastener quality etc etc will adhere to or exceed mil spec.
Well the 2014 Daniel Defence edition AR Magazine sold me! :P
I would pay the extra, if i did not buy my current AR...
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You get sweet fuck all in my opinion other than a nudge to your ego and the ability to make others who place their self esteem on "labeled brands", quiver in their boots.
Depends on what model you get. Feautures, better QC, correct spec parts, etc. Much less chance of it being a turd than a Norinco, for example.
+1 for DI.
AR`s were designed to be DI. You don't even need to clean them if you don't want to (not advisable), just keep some ballistol handy for when it seizes :D
If your uncle's club is a Service Rifle branch, best to get a rifle that can be easily made into Service Class. Details on the website.
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That article refers to the flawed 'Fall 07 Extreme dust test III' from the Army’s Individual Carbine competition. It tested the MK16, HK416, XM8 and the M4. 6,000 rounds were fire through each gun. 10 rifles of each model were tested.
Here it is
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Notice the difference between the fall and summer tests for the M4. The M4s tested were used service issue guns sent over from the army. In the fall test 6 of them were worn and insufficiently sprung (buffer spring, ejector spring, extractor spring) and were responsible for most of the stoppages. The testers also didn't know how the burst mode worked and counted it as a stoppage every time they yanked the trigger and got less than 3 rounds (the trigger needs to be held to get a full burst).
The M4s in the summer test were still used, but serviceable. The other rifles were new, hand picked by the manufacturer to compete in the test and even 'hotted up' by increasing cyclic rate to give the bolt more energy to overcome dust in the action. THE M4 STILL HAD LESS WEAPON STOPPAGES THAN THE PISTON DRIVEN HK416 AND MK16
The US Army canned the individual carbine competition last year and are sticking with the M4.
If you still think relocating the piston to above the barrel increases reliability, then send me a PM, I've got some magic jelly beans you might be interested in.
these magic jellybeans increase girth, length or both?
I tested 2 Wyndhams recently and accuracy wise the Carbine (M4 style pencil barrel) shot sub MOA with 69's and 77's and just on MOA with 55 Vmax's. The VEX 20 inch shot 1/2 MOA or close with many loads. Fit and Finnish were very good. The standard issue trigger was the only let down.
Nah, they increase the reliability of your AR.
Sounds like you need some magic erection skin cream. Guaranteed results when applied vigorously.
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I have the VEX 20in. It shoots better than I do, with everything (ok, sure, only been fed the cheap American Eagle and the cheap Hornady brass training stuff) and it's been fantastic.
Trigger sucks. Currently putting money together for a trigger upgrade from Digit/NZAR15
Pretty keen on the VEX myself - but would prefer a shorter barrel say about 16" so I can run a suppressor and keep the length down. What does chopping the barrel involve - you obviously need to adjust the gas port size or fit an adjustable one (but you would need to do this when running a suppressor anyway?) but otherwise is there anything else involved? I am completely ignorant about AR rifles hence the question ...
A friend has got a VEX cut down to 18" with no port adjustment. Works fine.
If you cut it down to 16" it would probably only cycle when suppressed.
I put a carbine barrel on a mid length lower then cut it back to 12.5 inches from 16 and it runs perfectly as of the 250 shots so far
when you start changing things you are at risk of FTE and soforth
Lower doesn't matter for barrel length/gas system. Unless you have nonstandard buffers.
E: like, there's no such thing as a mid length lower.
I have seen a Tavor in NZ, so they are available. The person also had a FN SCAR-H, first one I have seen in the country.
Another option is the Rainer Arms RUC that SAI Guns has imported. Excellent components and build quality. Rainer Arms are building an excellent reputation for producing ARs.
Rainer will sell directly to you as well so long as you pay for the export permit their end, and have the paperwork done this end. Good guys to deal with
This might help.
What Makes an AR Accurate — Whitley Offers Answers « Daily Bulletin
The newer NEA's have MPI inspected bolts now
If you can afford it,get the DD-they are very nice rifles. As a the windhams to be fair.
It's actually hard to go wrong with a AR of any sort,some (like the norincos) are just over priced in NZ
After all the egg on there face with bolts breaking(that the made right) I'm guessing they decided that checking them all was the only way to get any credibility back.
Regardless of brand I will now only use bolts that are marked as being inspected,had a bushmaster one lose two lugs on me. I only found out when I went to clean the rifle so probably still safe but it put the wind up me. Also,it's "easy" to get parts now but I can see a day when a broken bolt could put your rifle out of action for a long time-so I am trying to make sure the parts I have are less likely to leave me with a parts rifle in the future.
Feel free to ask the nz agent when you ring him to order,he has replaced a few for people. I only know about it from seeing broken bolts at the range.
This is a old problem and not one that you would encounter with a new nea rifle.
There were threads on the old imas forum about it,but that's gone now
Some of the very first NEAs into NZ were part of a batch that had flawed bolts fitted that spat lugs at relatively low round counts. For those that had problems, and my brother in law was one, digit shipped them new bolts straight away no questions asked.
From what I've seen amongst our american cousins, shearing bolt lugs is not all that uncommon on a lot of brands of AR, and if your bolt lasts over 10k rounds, you've done quite well.
It looks like NEA are into the 4th generation of rifles now, and it is very unlikely you'll have any problems. Mine is a gen2, and I've run over 3 k rounds through mine without any problems whatsoever.
thanks guys ,
Cheaper brands that don't do the QC break bolts on the reg, DPMS, Bushmaster, etc, I'd worry about it with Norinco etc too
NEA are advertised as MPI tested but were, at least, only batch tested which is basically useless
NEA's share a few parts found commonly in other ARs inc BCG's and the FCG.The FCG is the same as what is used by Sig and S&W. For the volume of NEAs sold the fail on bolts is minute. But because NEA is one of the very few AR brands officially represented here, any warranty issues are dealt with immediately and at no cost. You may not get that level of timely service for other brands or private imports.
NEA are also constantly looking at ways to enhance their products. They have recently started manufacturing their own Bolts and Carriers and will be sending samples to NZ for evaluation in the next couple of weeks. These BCGs will feature the best in available technology.
NEA aim to produce AR15s that are at least as good as the best on the market if not better. For example NEA's are currently warrantied to withstand 50 hours of salt water submersion with zero corrosion. As the distributor in NZ, it is exciting to see what they are producing and where they are going with the AR platform.