Actually, I took my first stag with a .338 edge.
I was pleasantly surprised by how nice it was to shoot!!
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Actually, I took my first stag with a .338 edge.
I was pleasantly surprised by how nice it was to shoot!!
@BRADS got my mate his first deer with an edge.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimySquirrel
Soft to shoot and 300gr berger at 2800+fps is pure goodness.
Not sure how soft they are suppressed though
The one I shot was suppressed. I'm a recoil shy pussy...hence my 243 but it's made me more accurate since I shoot it more!
That's also a fair point in this discussion mate, my 12 is only mildly keen to shoot the 243 and it's lightish so if it's a carry rifle, it may be worth the smaller caliber so they can shoot it more and get used to it without flinching. Or, just get a 16lb 338 edge.
Recoil is a function of bullet weight, powder charge, rifle mass, and stock shape. Many years ago Graeme Henry in R&R wrote a great article about introducing young shooters to rifle. His suggestion was basically to get the rifle thay would use as an adult, but down load. Some calibres are better suited than others to this.
But if you want a .270 then get him one, get some lighter varmint style projectiles but download a few hundred fps. A 130gr at 2700 fps or similar, plus a suppressor, no flinch, dead deer.
I'm still trying to grow up, so ,can one of you fine gentlemen buy me a Sako Finnlight in .260 and load it down for me. Thanks.
Prob not soft enough for a young fella, well I wouldn't have my boys shooting my one untill they are olderQuote:
Originally Posted by Nibblet
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This was said tongue in cheek. I was joking and ment to put smiley in but missed itQuote:
Originally Posted by oraki
As aboveQuote:
Originally Posted by Rushy
Yeah I would tend to agree.Quote:
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What's your price range Oraki?
I've got Fendt taste with a Belarus budget, short arms and deep pockets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nibblet
So either a sound 2nd hand, or lower priced new. I'm using a Savage Axis 223 and it will outshoot me. The 270 is a BSA something that's seen more than I have. Would love something flash, but when I've only used 2 packets of ammo in the 270 in 25 years, can't justify spending heaps.
What about the Toby 270 ....
Another category safe would be required. With what I could afford to offer, it would only be an insult to this worthy cause.It deserves a much more worthy owner than me. Like someone that had enough time to actually get it out of the safe once and a while. But if my Lotto numbers come up.......... Big thumbs up to all that contributed to this rifle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nibblet
@oraki I haven't read through all of the comments. But have read about 30.
From the start I am thinking either a 243, 308 or 7-08 in a rifle that fits him well! A 243 maybe on the smaller side, but it will help with shot placement and shooting technique.
With either of the other two I wouldn't worry a bugger, especially if buying second hand.
I would suggest against a 270 as they have a bit of recoil compared to the above options.
There's my 2c
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243 is the ideal starter centrefire - light on recoil but plenty of punch to do the job
When I was 16 I got my license pretty smartly, and then got my first full time job over the school holidays where I worked like a trojan for bugger all money but still managed to save up enough to buy my first two guns; A shotgun and a tikka lite 7mm08. Being young and ignorant, I rushed in and bought without doing any research into the rifle or calibre, however, by good chance it has been a pretty good fit for me. If I were to do it all again I probably wouldn't get the same, although I still have both the 7mm08 and the shotgun in the safe, and the tikka is my go to rifle-roughly 15 years later. Can't complain about that for value!
Cheers Jem.
Plenty of opinions already nut I'll add my 2c.
Use a 308 suppressed tikka regularly and don't notice the recoil, played with a 243 and like it but not really up to 400m shots that you could need in thar country. Have had a few shots with a 270 (unsurpassed, old as the hills) kicked like a f):king mule.
Always had a 308 and never had any issues, plenty of ummph and good factory ammunition choices
Just to put my 2c in - I'm a smallish frame, 26yo female with a fair bit of shooting under my belt. I wouldn't say I'm perfect by any means, but I'm pretty comfortable behind a rifle.
Like I said before, I reckon any 6.5-7mm will do the job. However, I disagree with a comment above about how all of those calibres, suppressed, feel the same lightness of a .223.
Oraki to give you a background, I shoot with a .223 and a .260 both suppressed.
Here is me shooting my partner's suppressed .308 after a shitload of dry firing. I think the look on my face summarises that it does not feel like my regular weapons.
https://vimeo.com/187172809
Ps- those who wish to school me on my shooting and tell me how much better than me you supposedly are, you are required to upload your own slow mo video of you shooting before comment.
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I was thinking faar she hasn't moved and only blinked twice in a minute.....then I realised it was slow mo..[emoji38][emoji38]Quote:
Originally Posted by Dougie
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Can't believe it took 4 pages for someone to recommend .243
6.5x55 is a winner, load it soft with 2209 and prohunters (I can supply you load data) and throw a can on it. As he gets older you can ramp up the charge and weight pill
One hell of an offer thanks. I'll have to put a rain check on it though, until I get a rifle in hopefully the correct size. Then I guess I'd have to go over to the darkside and start reloading, or con someone to do it for me. Before I do anything, I'll try and track down some different sizes and get him to send some lead down. Got a few options to work on at this stage. Cheers allQuote:
Originally Posted by Tussock
It is a good offer. Bare in mind as you go along your journey and inevitably start reloading (its a great father and son activity) that 2209 will work in most common calibers. 243, 6.5, 270, 7-08, 30.06. Its not so commonly used in 308. Maybe you should grab some and store it while the offer is going? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by oraki
To make the most of reloading, you probably need to shoot more than 40 shots in 25 yrs. With his interest now becoming an obsession, I guess I should start looking down this avenue. This time last year, I was still on the original packet. Had only put 15 through it, 5 of which were on paperQuote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
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I suppose it is very subjective and depends on the person and the rifle, but I feel like if someone finds a suppressed .270 or 7mm08 comfortable to shoot then a suppressed .308 won't be a problem for them, given the same weight rifle, run-of-the-mill factory ammo etc.
I don't think you can go wrong with a 6.5, I guess 6.5x55 is much easier and cheaper to get factory ammo for, but .260 and 6.5 Creedmoor look pretty good too.
The comments were that the 7mms were like .223s to shoot. But yup I agree with everything you have said :)Quote:
Originally Posted by tommygun
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Beginning to wonder if I'm looking at this all wrong. Should I get him a smaller gun, that he gets very accustomed to, and when 'that' shot appears, he just uses my one. In the future he can use his one on reds etc using shot placement. A fella said to us today that all he uses is 223. His reasoning is " If I can head shoot a bunny at 300yds, why can't I head shoot a deer at 300"
He also reckoned that you never try to outshoot a joker that's only got one gun. He knows it inside and out
Oaraki
Your not that far from me and Tussock is inbetween, we can easily get that 6.5 going if you want to maybe take the plunge and reload.
There are others in you area that would help as well.
Only trouble is, possibly more an initial expense that you originally bargined for, however, give it a think.
Fractory ammo isn't any dearer than other centerfires, american stuff is just slow and gets lost after 300 or so, but that probably far enough anyway.
When I talk 6.5 I mean x55, not those "orrible short actioned other things, they're doooomed.:)
I agree with aim for the big bit. This fella is a very experienced varmitter, and has an absolute tack driver of a 223. I don't question the rifle in his hands but the head is very small for beginner.
Googling recoil says the 6.5 is more than 243, but as you say download and build up. Much easier 25 year ago. Was only 243, 270 & 308 on the shelf that I could afford. I went middle of road, and it was ducks nuts then.
I'll try and hook up with you guys again at some stage.
Should get membership to the new range as well. But 6 minutes drive is along way........
The feel can vary a lot between rifles depending on the weight and personal fit - subjectively my unsuppressed Savage Classic 7mm08 (same as the one Nibblet linked earlier) and suppressed Ruger Hawkeye 308 feel very similar for recoil. Mates T3 270 booted a lot harder than either of them when I used it.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommygun
The 223 feels like a 22 in comparison to any of them though!
As I suggest in the very first page(at the time) I have a Browning A-bolt in 243, suppressed with an old school Gunworks a, leupold base, rings and a VX1 also old school (1/2 MOA adjustments) for sale, has had about 2-300 rounds and don't look as new as have had few trips to the hills, I have just finished a load development for it and it will shoot better than I can.
Rifle also shoots less than 1" at 100 meters with Winchester Super X.
Cheers
Mac
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Saying that I have a Browning 243 for sale does not Mean it is the best rifle for the job but sure will be for a young fella or the old fella(my father in law) too. My first rifle is a 7mm Rem Mag and I suffer a lot till not long ago with the recoil, since I bought a 6.5X55 I understand how much difference it has on recoil and it is not even suppressed.
I am lately shooting a 6.5 Creedmoor for target stuff and I love it, I shot the 243 and it feels awesome too with recoil same or very similar in between all these rifles.
Whatever you go for try to shoot before buy.
Good luck
Mac
I used to have a Browning abolt in EBRG, very accurate, ideal for mice to wallaby, maybe the odd goat.
Others experience may differ.:)
Another slant on this is how close is he to having his own transport and licence? No point getting into reloading until he is getting out and about with his own wheels then he really will start going through the ammo
He's still a couple of years away from licence. He's saving up for his first vehicle and sleeps with the firearms code under his pillow. So at this stage, he can't go anywhere without me. That's why I'm thinking along the lines now of 243, and my one for "that" shot. I'll be trying to install the thought process of get as close as you can, and then another 50m closer. If they can shoot animals with a bow at close range, you can do it with a rifle. That's what stalking is all about. If the animal spooks, work out why, and get it right next time
my 2c
get him a good .22lr with good glass and 2000 rounds of ammo
move him onto your .223 later on . . .
R.
He's already taken over my 22 and is shooting very well. Last time we went out he was head shooting bunnies and hares out to 95 paces. The only 22 long range I know of is Dundees :thumbsup:. That thing is incredible. He practices on a homemade swinging disc 50mm round from around 60 yds out. There's another bucket of ammo waiting for me at the shop now.
Edit to add: When we are out after wallabys and fallow he uses the 223. He's probably got a better conversion rate than me
I could have a suggestion but unfortunately its only any good if you reload and there is already a multitude of other cartridges that will all do the same thing.
Brass would be free since you already have a 223.
otherwise get a terminator brake fitted to the 270 and buy 2 pairs of good earmuffs and have at it
I'm actually gonna go and load up some 58 vmax in my .243 to around 2900 and see how they go because of this thread! Also, just picked up some of the 95gr deer season from Winchester... Looks like it's a got a big tip...
I think that's an excellent idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by oraki
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Similar to my son who has just turned 16 and finishing his licence at mo'. I started him on a 223 then my 6x45 which is a mild version of a 243. We have stalked in on deer close enough for him to make a good killing shot with success. 243 factory ammo is available in various loads including 80gr which would be mild for him to use and feel confident.Quote:
Originally Posted by oraki
6.5x55 even with out the add on wizardry is an excellent beginner cartridge. great knock down out to 400 yards and soft on the shoulder. its a caliber that will provide for the table without developing bad shooting habits and be a pleasure to shoot with.Quote:
Originally Posted by oraki
