Thread: Fun with 22s - wee ammo test

Recently I put my Lithgow LA101 into a laminated stock - they reputedly shoot better in this one than the synthetic. My thoughts were that factory recommended action scew tension of 1.5 Nm (13.7 in lbs) was set for the synthetic stock as this is a very light value. In most cases a laminated stock will stand (and "like") quite a bit screw tension.

So today wasn't too bad here for a quick test. The rifle definitely responded well to more screw tension and when I got to 20 in lbs the attached 10 shot group with the Eley club shows the result. I know this batch of Club to be exceptional and save it for tests like this.

Recently there has been a bit of Norma Tac-22 in the shops and I got a couple of bricks to test. The results speak for themselves, it is very good ammo, but just not held to the same tolerances as a top performing ammo. This is illustrated by both group size and distribution, most rounds forming a tight cluster (like the Club) but a few looser rounds hanging off.

Originally Posted by Tentman

Recently I put my Lithgow LA101 into a laminated stock - they reputedly shoot better in this one than the synthetic. My thoughts were that factory recommended action scew tension of 1.5 Nm (13.7 in lbs) was set for the synthetic stock as this is a very light value. In most cases a laminated stock will stand (and "like") quite a bit screw tension.

So today wasn't too bad here for a quick test. The rifle definitely responded well to more screw tension and when I got to 20 in lbs the attached 10 shot group with the Eley club shows the result. I know this batch of Club to be exceptional and save it for tests like this.

Recently there has been a bit of Norma Tac-22 in the shops and I got a couple of bricks to test. The results speak for themselves, it is very good ammo, but just not held to the same tolerances as a top performing ammo. This is illustrated by both group size and distribution, most rounds forming a tight cluster (like the Club) but a few looser rounds hanging off.

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I tested 9 different brands of .22 match/standard ammo a couple of weekends ago in my Lithgow and fired two
Cards for each to prove consistency

The rws target rifle came out no1 . The Eley club and Norma were in the mid
Range and the Aguila was last by a long shot.

Second equal and third was the trusty cci standard. It was well ahead of
Most of the Match ammo tested including rws club and sk and others.

Originally Posted by omark

I tested 9 different brands of .22 match/standard ammo a couple of weekends ago in my Lithgow and fired two
Cards for each to prove consistency

The rws target rifle came out no1 . The Eley club and Norma were in the mid
Range and the Aguila was last by a long shot.

Second equal and third was the trusty cci standard. It was well ahead of
Most of the Match ammo tested including rws club and sk and others.

Yeah - 22 accuracy is more related to good luck with batches or lots of ammo. I went back out with some CCI I have here and shot the following target - all t10 shot groups at 48M.



This target highlights the batch issue, I gave away the rest of the brick of the CCI target cause it was crap, and the very old CCI HP is better but still nearly twice the group size of an excellent batch of S&B subsonic hp (which isn't usually up to much).

One very interesting thing is the harmonic which is causing the vertical stringing with the new box CCI versus horizontal stringing with the older CCI hp.

Originally Posted by omark

I tested 9 different brands of .22 match/standard ammo a couple of weekends ago in my Lithgow and fired two
Cards for each to prove consistency

The rws target rifle came out no1 . The Eley club and Norma were in the mid
Range and the Aguila was last by a long shot.

Second equal and third was the trusty cci standard. It was well ahead of
Most of the Match ammo tested including rws club and sk and others.

Hey how about posting up your results either pics or group sizes, helps us all learn something

Originally Posted by Tentman

Hey how about posting up your results either pics or group sizes, helps us all learn something

Unfortunately I left them in the clubrooms but will collect them next time I am out

Originally Posted by omark

Unfortunately I left them in the clubrooms but will collect them next time I am out

Hey @omark if you could also comment on the accuracy of your Lithgow compared with the common "match rifles" that would also be very interesting. Cheers

Originally Posted by Tentman

Hey @omark if you could also comment on the accuracy of your Lithgow compared with the common "match rifles" that would also be very interesting. Cheers

It’s a wee step down from dedicated target rifles I’ve shot such as anshultz and walther and some of the bsa mk2s that I’ve shot but not by much. I consider it to be a multi purpose rifle. Definitely more accurate than the cz s and the tikkas my mates shooting. I had to torque mine to over 20 pounds to get it to shoot. Also it improves with a clean every 300 odd rounds.
I use boretec rim fire and foul with 10 rounds.

It’s such a shame lithgow don’t do southpaws in their centre fire range as I would
Jump at the chance if they did in both .223 and .308.

I am a real Lithgow fan though….so slightly bias…

Interesting
Will have to try adjusting the torque on my laminated Lithgow. Till now I've just used the factory recommended setting.

I've also just been trying the Tac-22 and it's certainly performing well above its price point. Well inside minute of rabbit head @50m

The batch of Eley Club I got was pretty average honestly. Double the price of the "Action" I was using with worse accuracy and SD.

Some nice groups there. Rimfires are such odd creatures. After a bit of hassle, I was excited to get my hands on some high end Eley rounds and they turned out to group worse than CCI Subsonic (which admittedly are very good in my rifle).

Precision accuracy tricky to pin down with 22 ammos. I recall a batch of PMC (black packet) Match ammo that averaged 0.69" for four consecutive sub 1.0" groups at 100 meters from a little Norinco Em332. Superb! Went back to get some more and it was shite.

CCI quite a consistent performer for the money. The groups below are from one of the very accurate Marlin model 60 semiautos I had - stock. Top line is three groups - two fives and a three - averaging 0.34" at 50m with CCI Standard. Bottom line is couple of groups with CCI subsonic - averaging 0.32". CCI may not deliver peak performance of match ammos but it does offer quite good consistency across batches, and that's a plus when plinking..

Originally Posted by mudgripz

CCI quite a consistent performer for the money. The groups below are from one of the very accurate Marlin model 60 semiautos I had - stock. Top line is three groups - two fives and a three - averaging 0.34" at 50m with CCI Standard. Bottom line is couple of groups with CCI subsonic - averaging 0.32". CCI may not deliver peak performance of match ammos but it does offer quite good consistency across batches, and that's a plus when plinking.

I recently setup my Savage for CCI Standards and was getting 1" groups @ 100m without really trying hard (rifle could undoubtedly do better with a better shooter!). Although if you believe strelok the MV was down around 960fps. Anyhoo took it out on it's first bunny hunt with this ammo, I was happy with the accuracy (hits @ 120m) but the lethality at all ranges was crap - I had a lot of hits but animals with enough life in them to disappear into nearby holes.

Originally Posted by vulcannz

Although if you believe strelok the MV was down around 960fps. Anyhoo took it out on it's first bunny hunt with this ammo, I was happy with the accuracy (hits @ 120m) but the lethality at all ranges was crap - I had a lot of hits but animals with enough life in them to disappear into nearby holes.

Should be around 80 ft.lb, 5-10x more than enough power to kill a rabbit with a head shot(!), although that FPS sounds a little high. If not head shots, then yeah, Standard Velocity are round nose so don't cause that much damage. CCI Subsonic have similar ballistics and kill better (also happen to shoot better in my CZ).

Did the same thing yesterday arvo,
given a couple of fancy boxes of 0.22 to try out but forget what they were called and nothing was special about them.

With Norma Tac-22,
Tac-22 is OK but they are a bit greasy and a bit smokey (I don't mind this part),
not sure about grouping but I could hit my self made target at 50m, 80m, and 100m pretty constantly with tac-22

at above 120m and above range... I seem only could hit them with CCI

Originally Posted by Snap 4T

Did the same thing yesterday arvo,
given a couple of fancy boxes of 0.22 to try out but forget what they were called and nothing was special about them.

With Norma Tac-22,
Tac-22 is OK but they are a bit greasy and a bit smokey (I don't mind this part),
not sure about grouping but I could hit my self made target at 50m, 80m, and 100m pretty constantly with tac-22

at above 120m and above range... I seem only could hit them with CCI


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75 or 90mm diameter abouts gong huh - even at 100mm at 100 thats good shooting with those grades of ammo.

F Class John posted a ytube of his results at a 22 FClass 40 shot match - his score was 200 and a bunch of Xs - target was a 2"X and a 4" bull at 200 yards and 199 at 300 yards but he didn't give target dimensions for the 300Y. The thing is his rifle and gear would be the thick end of NZ$10K