Hi All,
Keen to hear your guys thoughts on this barrel :D How would I go about describing it when selling it.
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Hi All,
Keen to hear your guys thoughts on this barrel :D How would I go about describing it when selling it.
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On trade me=Only fired 25 rounds cleaned eveytime after use.
On here, barrel fucked
Lol, love it. Tomato steak then eh. Bugga
A good start would include caliber and where it originally came from
8x57, where it came from I'll keep to myself for now. It was sold as great/good bore. I love my luck with rifles! :XD:
If you zoom up close enough it looks like a coal mine
You should see it in person. The whole barrel is like that. Kinda looks cool. Im wondering how many grains it would shave of a projectile from start to finish! Haha
You forgot to mention shoots MOA and scope not included :)Quote:
Originally Posted by BRADS
So are you selling or have you purchased??
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I purchased it Hamish, longish story which I may or may not detail in the near future but Long to short version - The guy works on rifles for a living and I asked him to borescope the throat area and report what it was like as he had already said the bore was great/good - but I also asked him to check/mention if there were any bad bits in the barrel. He said he didn't have a borescope to check the throat area but it look good by torch and the the rifling was deep and sharp. So I was quite surprised when I got the rifle and saw the condition the barrel was in.
I'm starting to think I'm not specific enough when asking questions about rifles?
Wow. I only just looked at the photos on a device bigger than my phone. Those craters are huge. I'd be surprised if a 8mm pill didn't just fall through from one end to the other. Nice crown job too [emoji53]
It's not what it looks like, it's what it shoots like
Very true, but I get the feeling Kiwijames has hit the nail on the head on how it would shoot. Plus - why would I now waste $$ on ammo for it? I'm just stoked that I didn't end up buying reloading dies and projectiles for like I was going to. I did buy some powder though. I'll find another caliber thats suitable for that though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pointer
Just expand the neck up to .35 that should seal everything :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Grunta
If not $40 buy now including shipping :D
Below hide tide?Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwijames
Thats all theory. Put a box through it. It may surprise youQuote:
Originally Posted by Grunta
Trust me pointer - it did surprise me! Anyhow, its irrelevant on the shooting side if things. My point is that this was sold as a great/good bore and I specifically asked if there were any bad points in the barrel and when then this pitted to hell tomato steak turns up then im rather disapointed. The whole dealing with this guy was disapointing, but I'll get to that at a later date if we cant come to an agreement of some sort.
That's my point, it isn't irrelevant at all. It's how it performs that matters. It's an 8x57, so I'm guessing a Mauser variant? Even if it is a commercial FN, parker hale/ midland or Husqvarna variant, that still makes it at best 60 years old. Again being a 8mm Mauser I can't imagine you brought it for F-class duties. I have guns of similar vintage and bore quality that still shoot perfectly acceptable group sizes for hunting in NZ conditions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grunta
Now that I can understand. If you had brought this old girl as a collectable piece I'd be dissapointed too. Consider it a learning curve for buying things sight unseen. I've been burned too, hence I have a price limit on what I'll purchase sight unseen in TM. Therefore I'm not too put out if it doesn't meet my expectationsQuote:
My point is that this was sold as a great/good bore and I specifically asked if there were any bad points in the barrel and when then this pitted to hell tomato steak turns up then im rather disapointed
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Originally Posted by Grunta
Um.....uh you were using Trademe were you not. I use it from time to time but regard it as a "waste disposal" site. In my experience a lot of "creative licence" is used for both questions but most especially descriptions and answers. I would not think to get a good s/h hand rifle with a tip top barrel "as described" would be unusual.
Most people might have only fired a "few shots" as they say but then ficked the barrel by cleaning it or not cleaning it as the case may be.
Not to mention give 20 people an accurate rifle and ammo and most will struggle to shoot the magic and legendry 1 inch or less, (me included) even from prone with front rest and rear bag
Advertise it as a billy hook.
This was an 85 sako 243 about a year old. A local guy tried to sell me as in top condition. It shot ok for a couple of groups then not so. You would need a 16oz bottle of boretec eliminator per box of ammo. Pushing a patch through gave a nice sandpaper feel.
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Get some copper into those pits to smooth it all out, and don't clean too much.
Its only an 8x47, it might just surprise you with how well it throws!
Depending upon the exact description and how far the reality of the barrel condition is from that description you have grounds to ask/request a refund. What is the seller's feedback score like, will he wish to preserve that? I suspect from one of your postings that a return action may be under way. I got caught in exactly the same manner with a rifle - barrel was poked, and I didn't need to put my bore scope in it to see that. Yours is the same, patently visible to the eye. I was able to get a refund - quietly shit myself waiting for the money to come back though, took a couple of weeks. Then made a rule that I would never again buy off TM unless I could collect the rifle, and reject if necessary. Also never consider anything now unless they have perfect or near perfect feedback. Good luck.
You have some shit luck buying guns mate lol.
well...um....Ive seen worse.
you take a wild punt buying ex-military rifles sight unseen or anything for that matter . . . and i understand the disappointment when you saw the condition of this barrel. The value to you is now much reduced to compared to what you thought it was.
But it maybe its not all bad, take a few shots and see how you feel afterwards.
i bought a .223 off TM from this really polite old gentleman, he was selling his sons hunting rifle, only used a couple of times . . . trouble is i reckon he just put the rifle back in the safe butt down without oiling the bore, the first 8'' forward of the chamber was just this huge pitted mess without any rifling visible, moisture had run down and rusted it out. Long story short, took it to the range after the hell clean with steel wool etc . .. absolute tack driver, still got it. After about 70 shots the groups go to hell and the copper fouling is something to behold . . . but until then its a reliable performer and plenty good enough for goat culling. Got a new barrel waiting to screw on but until this one dies it stays on.
and then there's the .303 stories . .. man i have shot some with ugly barrels, you would swear they are totally fckd . .. but no they are good to go.
My mate plays with the old stuff, sniders, all kinds of relics etc ... with care and attention to detail they can be made to shoot, so don't give up, you may have a keeper there.
good luck
The only way it would be a keeper for me is if it has historical/ex military value where a bad barrel may diminish the value but depending upon the rifle not destroy the value entirely as a collectable. As far a shooter goes you cannot make a silk purse out of it once it has become a sow's ear. No amount of cleaning and coppering it up will fix it now. The ole 30s for example that shot great with buggered barrels are just good stories/folklaw. I have seen 30s with claims like that (and similar condition barrels to the photos posted) where once the owner was pressed to demonstrate claimed accuracy the rifle couldn't hit a target at 100yd or if he did the projectiles went thru sideways. Once upon a time there used to be a 30 hanging on the back of every wash house door at farmhouses - never cleaned after firing. (@rossi.45 I have no idea of the degree of buggerdness of your example) If the desire in this case was to buy a shooter the time to get rid of it is as soon as possible. Messing around firing it will just delay the inevitable and add further expense with money wasted on ammo. The only amazing thing is the crown appears relatively intact so it may initially fire some shots into a reasonable (large) group b4 it spits the dummy.
Tell me about it mate!!! I'm starting to think I'm not cynical enough!hahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by tui_man2
I understand people saying I should shoot this and give it a run, but I'm inclined to agree with zimmer. I've owned enough bad rifles now to know that it's just not worth the money, my time (young family) and the mental stress. From the outside it looks great and the action is in really good nick so it really is a question of whether I head down the disputes path again, or just tick this one up again the the old learning curve.
The cost of the rifle wasn't huge at all - $600 plus postage and I felt it was a good enough deal for a sporterised mauser and I was looking forward to having an 8x57 in the cupboard and take it out, but now it's just going to end up staying in the gun cabinet until I can afford to rebarrel it. As above, I'm just friggin glad I hadn't quite got round to doing an order for dies and projectiles.
Another thing that has annoyed me about this process was the complete dealing from start to finish with this guy. It took 17 days to get the rifle and I had to chase him up in the end because of the 2 times he had said it's in the post it wasn't. And still to the very end he was bullshiting about it. And to top it of - he said he only gives refunds on rifles if they're not in the condition they're in yet he's not prepared to come to some sort of arrangment. Typical of this guy.
He is a small business owner and I want to name and shame but not sure how that would go down here? I know some will say do it, others will be like - is it worth it? I'm on the fence but at the same time would hate anyone else to be ripped by this guy.
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Originally Posted by sneeze
That is nasty!!!! put it away!!!! :D
Hey @Grunta, I found your rifle on Trade Mutant. Definitely says "This one is in very good condition with excellent bore" I would be going nuts at him as he seems to be someone in the trade. Also since its's a hunting rifle it's not worth much with a pitted barrel.
Go ahead and tell us who it wasQuote:
Originally Posted by Grunta
Not that one sorry 300CALMAN. Ill post the description soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by 300CALMAN
@gimp The guy has annoyed me in the last half hour and is unbelievable gutless! So i'll do a new topic once ive got home life sorted for the night. With my right hand on the bible - it'll be the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help me god!
You still should shoot the old cannon to see how bad it really is....
At least then if you don't like it you can give an accurate description when you sell it :)
"8x57 Mauser, bore in immaculate/rooted condition"
Unscrew the barrel (so you don't break the stock) and then wrap it round his swede. Tidy.
Ok, well a new thread has been started. It took for ever as the computer crashed and the auto sav on the forum doesn't seem to save. lol.
Grunta, I'll bet it's that Mack's Ordnance special.The mutt will never get a cent of my money. That bore looks like a coalmine. YuK
