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Very soon (Fingers crossed) I will be able to afford to buy a howa 1500 in 7mm08 eventually I want to save and have the chamber recut to .284 I know the Howa 7mm08 action is a short action but have heard that the action is slightly longer than a standard short action like on the marlins etc. Can anyone verify this for me as I like short actions but want the 280 performance from a short action without having to go down the WSM route heaviest i pill would be shooting is 150gr.
Dont worry bout it. 284 is designed on short action anyway 150s should fit easily inside the mag well im looking down the same route eventually.
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Hows the current .284 going for you Chris? from what I have seen on your threads looks like you have been having some success with it. I see a lot of threads downing the use of short actions for the .284 with not being able to seat the high BC 160gr + projectiles further out but at the end of the day if you have a 130 or 150gr going at .280 speeds then it would definitely lay a good wallop on deer and pigs also I have seen talk of a .284 ackley improved but I think that would be encroaching on long action material defeating the purpose of having a slightly lighter rifle than what you get in a long action.
No offense or anything intended but end of the day the difference between the 20 most popular calibers out to say 400 yds is as good as you (or i) can shoot
1.367883moa better is what??? Miss or meat?
Have another beer bro. Yea ross the 284s going well but it is a long action and its got a 26inch barrel. Im looking at doing a short barrel light version in the future probably on a tikka and hopefully my current load will shoot acceptably in both rifles and save some mucking round. Failing that ill be goin for the 120 barnes or gmx
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Fully aware of that but I just want something that is equivalent to a .270 or .280 but in a short action without going down the magnum route and to me the .284 is something I would like to look at but without spending the big dollars to get a secondhand custom built rifle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spanners
Given you mentioned 'lighter' earlier the Howa possibly isn't the way to go - the actions are close to the top of the fat pile.
T3 seems to tick all the boxes?
Mag box length of mine is about 2.865". Well that's what I load to anyway and don't have any issues feeding rounds from the magazine.
Actually I have handled the new howas and they are only just a little bit heavier than a tikka T3 and are way lighter than a Weatherby Vangard and the howa is a better fit for me than a tikka T3 anyway so why buy a rifle that is not going to be very comfortable for me to shoot.
Totally disagree with everything you said
The T3 is a shitload lighter, and the Vanguard is the same weight
Have a look at a Vanguard and a Howa side by side and you 'might' see something interesting.
They are dumping the Vanguards out at $599 at the mo
From my info
Hogue Howa 7.5-7.75 lbs
The T3 is a full lb + lighter than the Howa
Vanguard 7.5-7.75
Vanguard 2 7.25-7.5
Rem 700 7.25-7.5
According to robbie at gunworks 8lb 14oz on rifle, bases bolt scope and suppressor.
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So a standard 7mm08 then, because it's equivalent in The Real WorldQuote:
Originally Posted by hunter308
You will need to reload as Id guess a 284 will be both expensive to feed factory ammo as well as being a fairly obscure round.Quote:
Originally Posted by hunter308
I know of a few 284s that have not lived up to their potential in a practical length. I do know of a 7mm-08 though that has been sending 162 Amax's at mid 2700 speeds with a 26" tube (accuracy was crap though). I think if you really want 280 performance you need a 280. Whats a few extra mm's of action length worth really?
You can always down load the 280 or WSM
My 284 will equal any 280 and can be loaded hot to go toe to toe with the rem mag. Gimp is right the reality is a 7mm08 will do it without the hassle and in a short ass barrel too.
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Really? How fast can you launch a 162 out of your 284?Quote:
Originally Posted by CreepingDeath
Abe had it up to 3150 with slight pressure signs have backed it off to 2955 but im sure I could run mid 3000s no issue
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Good to see a bit of kiwi ingenuity capable of going toe to toe with those ridiculously cautious Americans and their anemic F-Class accuracy loadsQuote:
Originally Posted by CreepingDeath
Im not getting caught up on speed . Accuracy is key for me and I still get 1000ft lbs at nearly a km
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Yep that's fast:)Quote:
Originally Posted by CreepingDeath
Good. I seam have put on my shit stirrer pants this morning but I can't get my head around why kiwis think they are immune to physics. X pill going at Y speed is still going to recoil the same regardless of what name you have stamped on the base of the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by CreepingDeath
If you want a Magnum, buy a Magnum. At least you can load that down safely not the other way.
I wonder what you could get out of a 7mm rem mag if you loaded it the same way as the .284 loaded to 3100+ with 162
Sort of . Im using 54 grains of powder at the moment and expected barrel life should be 1000+ rounds on the magnum. But I get your point. Also ill never have an issue with seating any pill wherever I want to and recoil means naught with a supressor.Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwijames
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A lot of speed and a dodgy ish load one would think :)Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
Meh but it would be interesting to see what an improved shoulder would do to the rem mag.
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Im still a very happy boy with my 280.
I still havent tested its legs yet so realistically is could still be a 708 and it would have dropped the red spiker all the same at 200m
its a tikka, and an easy conversion to either 284 or 280
the real test will be weather the standard tikka barrel will stabilise the 162amax pills sitting on my reloading bench.
Iv got the rem mag too, but i wanted a shorter lighter less recoiling rifle capable of placing a animal on the ground out to 600m
Well my plans are on hold yet again that fucking Isuzu bighorn of mine wants me to spend more money on it...jesus I am getting ready to push it off a friggin cliff if any more problems come up with it after this round.
Video it if you do
Ok I have made a decision I am going to get a howa and it is going to be in 7mm08 and I will be having to get it from forlongs on my Store card as soon as I can get some full time work (fucked if I know when that will happen) so they will let me use the card and at the moment is the ONLY way I can get a rifle of my own so I can get out and scratch the trigger finger which is really itchy at present. Now the howa is going to be $1099 which is more than other places so am tossing up between an RCBS reloading kit, dies and powder to go with it or also buy a B&C carbelite stock to go on the howa which Forlongs also stock at $445 just going to stick with the 7mm08 till I can buy a long action rifle in 280rem and will replace the nikko sterling scope later on.
i no you said you want 7-08 but this is quite a good buy mate
Howa .308 lite | Trade Me
Should be able to get it for $600 if you twist his arm.
That's a good buy.
But i think he is stuck with ticking it up to get anything now?
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oh right my bad
Good one mate.at the end of the day we will look forward to the kill report mate! dose it come with rings? i have some spare.Quote:
Originally Posted by hunter308
The only way I can get a rifle at the moment is if I book one up on HP hitting too many brick walls to try and save up and it is starting to piss me off totally being stuck at home all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by PerazziSC3
Neckshot it is a nikko sterling scope and Howa 1500 rifle package still going to be a while yet but hopefully not too much longer.
There is no need for the 'pissed off, stuck at home' feelings...you can still get out and about and explore the bush and update and improve your skills at finding and following deer without several kilos of plastic and steel slapping against your back and wearing a groove in your shoulder...hey! you never know...you may even enjoy it. Another way to relieve the frustration is to buy an ol' shitter of a .303 and take that for a walk. Realistically, most deer you will come across in the bush will be at less than 100 metres, so you don't even need a scope on it...I mean, think about it...if you can't smack an animal at 100 metres with iron sights, then you may as well stay at home and throw rocks at the neighbours cats.Quote:
Originally Posted by hunter308
The offer is still there if you want to take a walk in my backyard. I can loan you a lever gun [.375/aim point scope] just so you feel like a hunter, not a tramper.
I appreciate the offer Spook but I won't let anyone loan me their gear only because if anything happened to it I would not forgive myself so really prefer to use my own gear because i would not feel so stink if something happened to it plus it will teach me to be a lot more patient if I wait till I can get my own gear and yes I do have to get back up there sometime for another look when I can.
Shot my first deer with an open site 303 (and im not an old boy) likewise sneaking around without a rifle to find some deer and practice stalking is sound advice. Without the rifle you are often more observant and behave better as you are more about observing and interpretting than rushing to find a kill or let a shot off. I went through a phase of leaving the rifle at home and taking just the camera and learnt a lot about both the animals but also my own behaviour when huntingQuote:
Originally Posted by Spook