Thread: Leaving magazines loaded (legal issues?)

What about a rifle with a bolt in it in a vehicle? (No rounds or mag)
I thought it wasn't ok. But one shop I brought from said yeah leave it in, it's ok.

Originally Posted by bully

What about a rifle with a bolt in it in a vehicle? (No rounds or mag)
I thought it wasn't ok. But one shop I brought from said yeah leave it in, it's ok.

You don't have to remove the bolt.

Originally Posted by bully

What about a rifle with a bolt in it in a vehicle? (No rounds or mag)
I thought it wasn't ok. But one shop I brought from said yeah leave it in, it's ok.

How would we transport a semi-auto or a lever action if we had to remove the bolts?

Cheers
Pete

Originally Posted by P38

How would we transport a semi-auto or a lever action if we had to remove the bolts?

Cheers
Pete

Well yes, it makes sense to me and you.
But it was my understanding it was law or arms code, which often may not make sense.

Originally Posted by bully

Well yes, it makes sense to me and you.
But it was my understanding it was law or arms code, which often may not make sense.

True that.

Cheers
Pete

Originally Posted by bully

Well yes, it makes sense to me and you.
But it was my understanding it was law or arms code, which often may not make sense.

Does someone have a list of differences between NZ Arms Act 1983 vs. the NZ Police Arms Code? It is very interesting or curious situation.

Originally Posted by bully

What about a rifle with a bolt in it in a vehicle? (No rounds or mag)
I thought it wasn't ok. But one shop I brought from said yeah leave it in, it's ok.

While you may be able to have a rifle with the bolt in in you car why would you?
That makes it more easy for someone to steal a functional rfile.

Personally I transport my rifles with bolts out of the rifles, bolts in a separate locked box in a bag.
When I leave the vehicle rifles stay in the vehicle - illegal I think - but bolts in box in bag come with me.
My logic is a rifle without the bolt in the car isn't a functioning firearm and isn't illegal but I'd rather not test this hypothesis.

Carrying rifles into a petrol station, cafe or bank would seem like a way to get the AOS out of bed so I don't.

Originally Posted by Cyclops

While you may be able to have a rifle with the bolt in in you car why would you?
That makes it more easy for someone to steal a functional rfile.

Personally I transport my rifles with bolts out of the rifles, bolts in a separate locked box in a bag.
When I leave the vehicle rifles stay in the vehicle - illegal I think - but bolts in box in bag come with me.
My logic is a rifle without the bolt in the car isn't a functioning firearm and isn't illegal but I'd rather not test this hypothesis.

Carrying rifles into a petrol station, cafe or bank would seem like a way to get the AOS out of bed so I don't.

So much wrong here.

A rifle without a bolt is still a firearm and cannot be left unattended in a vehicle. In a locked vehicle in a petrol station forecourt is OK so long as you have eyes on it while inside paying or buying a pie or whatever. If the car is out of sight, you're in the wrong. If the car is at the bottom of a hill and you can see it from the top of the ridge a k away, you're in the wrong. You need to be able to intervene in a timely manner should someone attempt to break into your car.

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Originally Posted by stretch

So much wrong here.

A rifle without a bolt is still a firearm and cannot be left unattended in a vehicle. In a locked vehicle in a petrol station forecourt is OK so long as you have eyes on it while inside paying or buying a pie or whatever. If the car is out of sight, you're in the wrong. If the car is at the bottom of a hill and you can see it from the top of the ridge a k away, you're in the wrong. You need to be able to intervene in a timely manner should someone attempt to break into your car.

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so whats when its in the car on the cook strait ferry? i asked the local cop and it was ok, the law states different

Originally Posted by gonetropo

so whats when its in the car on the cook strait ferry? i asked the local cop and it was ok, the law states different

T's & C's for the ferry say you hand them in before you board. Then collect at the other end.

Originally Posted by gadgetman

T's & C's for the ferry say you hand them in before you board. Then collect at the other end.

but wouldnt you legally have to pass them to someone with a license, could you hand an E-cat to someone who has only a-cat?
btw gadget, if you want my cd of funny pics i will burn you a copy

Originally Posted by gonetropo

but wouldnt you legally have to pass them to someone with a license, could you hand an E-cat to someone who has only a-cat?
btw gadget, if you want my cd of funny pics i will burn you a copy

They are covered under the carriage of goods act that allows them to transport firearms.

Originally Posted by gonetropo

so whats when its in the car on the cook strait ferry? i asked the local cop and it was ok, the law states different

it should go into the safe on the ferry.... according to the ferry rules. but the cops word is worthless unless it is on paper and signed, then probably good for nothing when the prosecution decide to get pushy.

Originally Posted by Cyclops

While you may be able to have a rifle with the bolt in in you car why would you?
That makes it more easy for someone to steal a functional rfile.

Personally I transport my rifles with bolts out of the rifles, bolts in a separate locked box in a bag.
When I leave the vehicle rifles stay in the vehicle - illegal I think - but bolts in box in bag come with me.
My logic is a rifle without the bolt in the car isn't a functioning firearm and isn't illegal but I'd rather not test this hypothesis.

Carrying rifles into a petrol station, cafe or bank would seem like a way to get the AOS out of bed so I don't.

For me personally I often take two rifles and both have big cheek rests where you have to remove it all to put the bolt in or out, and it's a pain in the ass.
(And I'm a bit lazy)
I only ever go to where I'm using them. If I stop it will be gas station only. I don't detour or do anything else on the way there or back. I lock my car at the gas station, even though I can see it, Feels wierd but safer.
It's usually only these rifles, others without big cheek pieces I do remove the bolt.
As far as being practical... Like was said, it's no different to having a semi or pump action lever etc. Even if you do remove the bolt it will be in the car somewhere and a bad guy with half a brain will know this. You could take the bolt with you, but then leaving the car un-attended would be where you went wrong.

Originally Posted by Cyclops

While you may be able to have a rifle with the bolt in in you car why would you?
That makes it more easy for someone to steal a functional rfile....

That is true and it's doubtful whether a crim would try and obtain a new bolt for a rifle although entirely possible of course. However, rifles without bolts still get stolen and can be used to intimidate people, i.e. bank robbery etc.

Obviously, keep your firearms hidden from view and your vehicle locked when visiting a service station. If you have to use the toilet and we all do sooner or later, especially on long trips and you're travelling alone, tell the cashier you have a firearm in your locked vehicle and please keep a close eye on it while you're temporarily engaged out back.