Woody...they still are bud. my good Mrs bought me one off trademe that had just been back through loopy factory for refurb....... she is awesome wee scope for bush work,lives on my 7.62x39mm at the moment but might go back onto .308.
also own a 1.75-5 x20mm tasco and its light gathering is absolute crap on any power setting,its not even as bright as other scopes on sunlit days in open conditions.
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