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    M1 Garand

    I'm just wanting to know what class a garand is.
    legally I don't think it would fit the definition of an MSSA as it doesn't have a magazine that holds more than 7 rounds.

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    If it can hold more than 7 then its an MSSA. Mag does not need to be detachable. For example a semi auto shotgun that can hold more than 7 in its tube would also be an MSSA.

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    ...Bayonet Lug = E-cat.
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    It is only the bayonet lug that makes it an MSSA. Cut that off and it is A category.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gundoc View Post
    It is only the bayonet lug that makes it an MSSA. Cut that off and it is A category.
    Im not really familiar with Garands - but I thought it can hold 8? If so, why would it not be an E-cat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisW View Post
    Im not really familiar with Garands - but I thought it can hold 8? If so, why would it not be an E-cat?
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    As I said im not really familiar with Garands, but I did a quick google search which suggested the stripper clips take 8 rounds.
    So if the stripper clip can take 8, then you put it in, chamber a round and it becomes 7 + 1?
    Confused.

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    The police don't bother making the +1 argument. They just call an 8 shot therefore it's E-cat to them.

    The 8 shot clip is inserted into the rifle and the bolt clicks in behind the top round. A gentle nudge with the heel of your hand and bolt closes, stripping the top round off the clip and into the breech.
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    Ah ok, so the grey area is that you cant really keep the action open with the full 8 rounds in it, so as soon as you put it in you have 7 in the magazine and one in the chamber.
    Interesting.

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    The key issue to them is that rifle is capable of having 8 rounds in it. But don't bother trying to tell your local arms officer the same thing applies to other 7-shot mag semi-autos...you run the risk of hurting their feelings...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisW View Post
    Ah ok, so the grey area is that you cant really keep the action open with the full 8 rounds in it, so as soon as you put it in you have 7 in the magazine and one in the chamber.
    Interesting.
    Just to be clear- you can run around with the bolt behind the 8th round. It's just not advisable/safe as the slightest jolt will send the bolt forward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gundoc View Post
    It is only the bayonet lug that makes it an MSSA. Cut that off and it is A category.
    DO NOT CUT THAT OFF. please.
    Use enough gun

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    Cheers for the all the feedback guys, I had completely forgotten about the lug. as for the mag capacity I do know you can get 5 round clips for it
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    I don't think 5 round clips would make it legal as it can still hold 8 internally. That's like only loading 5 rounds in a 10 round mag, or only loading 5 rounds into a 10 round shotgun tube.
    You would need to restrict the actual internal capacity of what it can hold, not just use 5 round stripper clips or only load 5 rounds into your 8 round gun.
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    The bolt is actually designed to shut automatically when a clip is inserted, in practice it is 50/50 whether it does. If you wanted to A cat a particular one, I would suggest finding a spare gas cylinder and lopping part of the bayonet lug off and having it fitted to the rifle. As for mag capacity...well I don't know, 5 round clips maybe. Who the fuck would know.

 

 

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