Mauser trigger angles

Right. Got an issue.
The parker hale project has hit a snag.
For some history, this has had a sporting type bolt fitted to an old Parker Hale safari with the original 98 2 stage trigger.
It was quite a heavy and draggy trigger but after what thought was some very minor stoning and polishing I've managed to make it so that after taking the weight up on the first stage it doesnt come back. Trigger is floppy. Little bit of a push by the spring (action out of stock) and it returns with a little click
So it either needs a finer polish or I've managed to cock the angle up. Or both.
The stoning was mainly done in an effort to get the striker to clear the sear when the safety was engaged. Hopefully a better trigger was a bonus
I did succeed in that at least but not happy with the
And no it doesn't feel quite as draggy
And yes I am.considering a timney but that's later.
I disnt touch the contact face on the striker. I would rather replace a buggered trigger than a striker.
Thoughts anyone?

I can give you a mauser trigger that has been altered to be single stage by welding a bit on the front and then putting in a screw which adjusts the seer engagement.

Well Gary I will take you up on that offer.
But I would still like to know what I've done wrong.
This sort of thing intrigues me and very likely wont be the last time I do this.
I actually did a little cheat I read somewhere else and put a rod in the spring to limit trigger over travel as well as a piece of shim between the trigger stage lumps and action to do something similar.
Disnt get too far with the shims and just not happy with the trigger reset @Walker I do agree but this is something I'd like to learn to get right

buy a timney, much less hassel and more adjustable.

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Originally Posted by Walker

buy a timney, much less hassel and more adjustable.

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And safer too.
GPM.

@grandpamac yip I hear you but I'm sure it would be safe if it's done properly.
Just nowhere as good a trigger as the timney

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Originally Posted by csmiffy

@grandpamac yip I hear you but I'm sure it would be safe if it's done properly.
Just nowhere as good a trigger as the timney

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Greetings Csmiffy,
The flaw with the military triggers is that half the trigger group is attached to the receiver and half on the bolt rather than all in one box as with commercial triggers. Mauser bolts are a loose fit and the first stage is used to take up the slack. If that stage is removed it removes an important part of the safety system. We used to modify military triggers decades back when there were few other options. There are plenty of options now. I have heard enough stories of rifles going bang when they were not supposed to to sour me on fiddling with military triggers.
Regards Grandpamac.

Im sure i saw 98 Timney triggers for under $150.


https://www.outdoorsupplies.co.nz/ti...gers.htm#M98FN

@grandpamac wasnt trying to remove second stage. Just a bit of a polish which I have obviously buggered up
@nor-west I can get them for cheaper than that and it is on the cards but not until I have to.
If a little more polishing gets it back to standard, that will get me shooting it Sunday for a trial and maybe a hunt on monday-Tuesday

PM me your address and I'll send you Kuhnhausen's Mauser shop manual. If you don't return it after reading it than I'll send your soul to a deep and dark place in my heart (why oh why don't people send books back )

Mauser two stage triggers can be gotten to the "superb" level by a knowledgeable person as long as they don't follow the stupid " fashion" for single stage triggers on designs not suited to them

Can you? Can you get me a rem 788 one please?

Oh - I didn't see you were going hunting soon, let me know your email via PM and I'll scan the relevant pages . . . .

If you're thinking of a timney, I'd buy one now as timney stopped production of their 98 Mauser triggers, so any you find will be old stock.

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Originally Posted by Tentman

PM me your address and I'll send you Kuhnhausen's Mauser shop manual. If you don't return it after reading it than I'll send your soul to a deep and dark place in my heart (why oh why don't people send books back )

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Is that the one I sent to you?

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Originally Posted by muzza

I have used Bold triggers in mausers - they are every bit as good as a Timney , but I'm not sure they are still available.

Foster - if your Kuhnhausen book doesnt come back I have a copy i will hire to you .. ;-)

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@muzza no I dont think they are.
Doing research on mauser triggers a while back suggested that.
There is/was a rather expensive winchester model 70 style trigger for them too

silly question. I do have a Timney and a canjar trigger for a p14. Some references suggest that some models do fit and others dont.
Might be worth digging out for a play?
Soon know if it work or not

The correct angle for 2-stage Mauser triggers is 90 degrees on the sear and cocking piece. Adjustment is made by stoning both faces to a mirror finish and then reducing the sear height to get a crisp second stage pull. Different springs can be tried to alter the pressure but they should always return the sear to full depth if the trigger is released. A small screw can be fitted into the front lip of the trigger to regulate first pressure engagement. The Mauser trigger can be very nicely set up with careful work. Altering the sear angle causes problems as you have discovered. If you have taken it too far then the sear can be rebuilt with weld, recut, case-hardened, then finish stoned. Any of the single-stage after-market triggers (Timney, Parker-Hale, etc) are a good choice and easily adjustable.

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Originally Posted by muzza

Triggers are easy to ruin.

I know a bloke who had just purchased a mauser , and decided to check to see if his handloads would fit the chamber . He closed the bolt on the live round and it went bang as he dropped the bolt handle . Very loud in his workshop , went through both panes of glass in his open sliding door , and ended up in his neigbours full wood shed 50 metres away. Reckons his ears are still ringing - from the bang and then from the bollocking his missus gave him...

Dont mess with triggers if you dont know what you are doing - please.

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@gundoc yup that is what I am finding out too-90 degrees @muzza well aware of the dangers if trigger work even if I have stuffed my first one up
If I'm not happy with it, it wont be used.
It will have to pass my personal tests otherwise no go.
I know what I wanted out of this trigger and at the moment it isnt doing it.
At the worst i have to put another sear box or next option a Timney.
While I do have enough engineering experience to have a crack at this I also have enough experience to know when it's wrong.

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Originally Posted by muzza

This book is well worth the cost too

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Fuk id love a copy of that book

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Originally Posted by muzza

are you sitting down?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mauser-M98-...wAAOSwPqld4rYC

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Shit i paid less than that for my first m96

@Mauser308 I would suggest the stoning I did first is the problem
Mind you also had a decent look at the cocking piece and that is angled back, not at 90 degrees.
As in the bottom edge is forward of where it meets the main body of the cocking piece. Like a saw tooth.
Although I would have thought that would help it.
But it isnt 90 degrees
Truth be told I dont remember trying to see if it reset itself originally. It was something I tested after I mucked with it.
I'm taking the blame for the issue as I reckon it is most likely

PM me and I will send you the trigger free.