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Hey all!
Anyone know of a mil/mrad scope suitable for a 22? Everything I seem to find is MOA.
I know your not going to do much dialing on a 22 but would be good for my boys to learn, my current scopes are in mil so hard to learn a new language lol.
Cheers
I see a lot of competitive shooters running ZCO 5-27 scopes on their Vudoo V22 or Rimx.
ZCO5-27 has heaps of elevation (35mil) with 0.1mil/click turrent, if budget is not your major concern.
Hmm - if you don't want to spend megabucks - the Sightron scopes work pretty well dialing on 22's, I run a couple of the S111's but you don't have to go to that grade. Another very nice scope for a 22 is the Clear-Ridge 4-16, I really like mine and have made the podium in several competitions with it on a 22.
How much do you want to spend?
Any Mrad scope will work just fine for a 22lr, parallax that adjusts down to 25 yards can be an advantage but there are lots of scopes that'll do that.
I do lots of dialing with my 22lr, but it'll depend on what your usage is.
Intended use and budget will determine the best option.
As Beetroot said, short pralaz is the key for rimfire scopes.
Vortex Venom etc might be worth a look.
If you could mention magnification range and expected price that would help a lot to narrow things down a bit.
I picked up an Athlon Midas Tac 4-16 at the recommendation of Blair from Section22. Was great advice!
I'm running the Vortex Diamondback Tactical 4-16x44 FFP. This scope has been a game changer for me.
The mil reticle provides perfect correlation with subs, and being FFP its not dependent on magnification.
60m zero
70m = 0.5 mil
80m = 1.0 mil
90m = 1.5 mil
100m = 2.0 mil
Past 90m I tend to dial but not always, depends on the situation.
I'm routinely shooting magpies, hares, bunnies past 80m in our one paddock (minimum range), some days everything will be >90m, my favourite post is 105m. I shot a handful of birds last week around 115-120m.
The FFP really comes into its own with subs. I normally shoot on 16x power but when the birds are in the thick pines I'll wind it back to 10x or whatever for better field of view and improved target acquisition. Range can vary from 40m to 80m as I shoot along the outer row of trees - the FFP means that my drops are always the same. This is invaluable.
Dialling has been accurate and repeatable. No concerns at all there.
I always think you should spend the same on the optic as you did on the rifle, give or take. The rifle cost me $700, the optic was $600 from Broncos. It's been a great buy.
Here's one I have my eye on for my EM-332 - https://www.scopeuout.co.nz/collecti...x44-riflescope
There's a 6-24 version as well.
Arken SH4 would be my pick. We’ve had a good selection through our store of affordable mrad’s and the Arken are a level above anything else in their price range. However they are hard to get due to demand out of USA. Failing that the Athlon helos gen 2 is a distinct second place, with vortex offerings coming in third. The mechanics on the Helios run rings around anything vortex below the pst.
I have both the 4-16 and the 6-24 of these (Nikko Stirling Diamond LR) and they are very useful scopes for the moneyQuote:
Originally Posted by Bol Tackshin
You bloody legends! Thanks very much, I will check out these recommendations.
Was originally thinking a 3-9 but after your post @Flyblown I am reconsidering.
Budget is $500 to roughly $1000, if I could keep it under/around 1k with some rings that would be sweet.
Cheers
I would be wary about getting “too much” scope for a rimfire. If you are competition shooting or always shooting longer range gongs, then a 6-24 is cool, but if it is a small game hunting rifle then a minimum magnification of 6x is too much and 24x is pointless on a rabbit at 100m.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shot Bro
I don’t shoot targets for fun and would estimate that in any 10 shots on small game I will dial once, maximum. The rest are a quick process of range / acquire target / holdover / fire. As long as a dialling mechanism has a good return to home test outcome on paper, you’re good to go. There’s always a temptation to go for gold with scopes, but you’ve got to work within the practical limitations of rimfire ammunition to find a sensible match with optics, and application is the main driver.
What Flyblown says about power is correct. The guys I know who win at 22 comps run thier scopes at 6x for most shots. My own 22 comp scope is a 3.5-10 and I've never found it a limitation.
As a broad general proposition this is not wrong, but as is the case for all general propositions, in reality things are more nuanced.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyblown
In my all small game hunting I have never once felt I needed more Field Of View. I generally shoot small games when they are still. Even if in the odd occasions where I shot a moving animal, they were far enough that I never felt FOV was an issue. So I do not think a minimum of 6 power is a problem based on FOV concerns. Where 6 power can be a problem is when the scope does not focus down near enough. I have a VX2 6-18 on a 17 hmr and when I have a possum sitting within a few meters from me on a tree branch or a rabbit just under my feet, it can be annoying because the scope's minimum focusing distance is 50m. So even at 6x power, at a few metres away everything is out of focus. But you have a scope that can focus down to 10m then this is not going to be an issue. Lower powered magnification significantly mitigates this problem.
As to higher power for longer distance, it depends on if you shoot free hand. if you always shoot prone and off a bipod/bag, your rifle will be a lot steadier and you would not necessarily need high power scope to shoot well. But on the other hand if you shoot free hand, then you will never make the rifle truly steady. Accurate shooting is all about pulling the trigger when the crosshair covers the centre of your target. Then magnification matters a lot. The larger the magnification the better you can tell how your crosshair is moving and it helps you to pick the right moment to pull the trigger.
in indoor sporting rifle clubs, they shoot at 25 metres, and you will see that the standard equipment for most seasoned shooters is 20x scope.
Same with silhouette shooting, the steel ram is placed at 100m and most seasoned shooters use 20x scope. The steel ram is bigger than a rabbit's head.
One of my hunting 22 semi sports a 2-16, and I shoot at the 16 end most of the time whether it is 30 or 80 metres. When I shoot at 100m I do wish I had more magnification.
That NF 2-10*24 that Danny has for sale would be awesome. Moa dial but illum milrad reticle.
Yeah nah maybeQuote:
Originally Posted by Ultimitsu
I also use my scope on high mag most of the time, because usually it's a one bird one shot type scenario at longish range for a .22LR.
But sometimes there's a whole bunch of bunnies only 30-40m away, and with subs I've got a good chance of getting 3 or 4 of them before they bugger off. So I need a much wider field of view to see what's going on. That's when the 3x or 4x is invaluable - wouldn't want it any other way. Nothing more irritating than waving your rifle around looking for the next target but the magnification is too high...
Ultimitsu - I sometimes wonder what world you live in. Field of view is critical for hunting/field shooting of any sort, and as I've mentioned the top gong shooters I know run scopes at pretty modest powers for stages that involve switching targets under time pressure.
Moving away from the OP sorry, but it's fascinating how much variation we all have in our shooting styles. I can understand why @Flyblown wants high magnification for shooting birds at long range (for RF), but I don't follow @Ultimitsu at all with not needing wide FOV. Most of my 22lr pest control is hares in establishing forestry or possums, for both uses my 1.5-4X scope almost stays on the 1.5X setting. I find 22lr marginal for hares so usually pull the trigger twice to be safe (BX trigger on 10/22 makes that second shot very close to same placement as the first). Wide FOV and low magnification means you can do your follow up shots very safely in pest control situations, and semi auto means there are enough rounds for multiple targets, or fast follow ups if you need them. Different styles of shooting for different purposes I guess. I've had many occaisons when I've shot hares on the run with the 10/22 that would have got away if I'd been using a high magnification precision shooting style. To me 22lr is a close range round, high magnification makes more sense with centrefires.
I live in a world where I find the animal before it runs away and I shoot it while it is still. I am able to relatively quickly acquire my target through my scope so I dont find FOV important in my hunting. Some people hunt moving animals, they need good FOV, that is fine. I rarely hunt them moving.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tentman
I have never been to a gong competition so I dont know if they shoot at lower mag. But as I said if you shoot from fully supported position you can get away with less magnification because you rely less on pulling trigger at the perfect moment with a moving crosshair.
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Originally Posted by Ben Waimata
Just so that we are clear what we are getting at: I am not advocating a fixed 20 powered scope for hunting. I am saying, if you can focus down to 10 or 15 meters, having a scope with minimum power of 6 is fine.
Has there been a situation where 6 power was too much for you for follow up shots? If you have then good for you. I am by no means a pro pest controller, I am a weekend warrior and have shot thousands possums and rabbits. I have never once encountered such a situation. Sometimes animals are far enough away that shooting one does not upset the others, but in these situations I would be shooting at maximum magnification.