Muzzleloader

I’m exploring buying a muzzleloader so I can hunt the muzzleloader season in Arizona. Has anyone purchased a muzzleloader like this one? Not sure if they’re available in NZ or need to be imported for the US, I’ll keep doing the research to find out.

https://bpioutdoors.com/accura-mr-x/

Funny i been thinking the same thing ....will warch with interest

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Those things aren’t a muzzleloader’s arsesole
Get a real muzzleloader or don’t bother
Jacketed bullets and smokeless (black powder Equivalent) ie not black powder
https://www.davide-pedersoli.com/en/...n-walnut-rifle That’s a muzzleloader

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Originally Posted by rambo-6mmrem

Those things aren’t a muzzleloader’s arsesole
Get a real muzzleloader or don’t bother
Jacketed bullets and smokeless (black powder Equivalent) ie not black powder
https://www.davide-pedersoli.com/en/...n-walnut-rifle That’s a muzzleloader

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That is a cool muzzleloader! I would be very keen to get one of those. But at the moment I just want an Arizona Fish and Game legal muzzleloader that gives my son (he will have the tag) the best chance to take a decent elk.

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Originally Posted by rambo-6mmrem

Those things aren’t a muzzleloader’s arsesole
Get a real muzzleloader or don’t bother
Jacketed bullets and smokeless (black powder Equivalent) ie not black powder
https://www.davide-pedersoli.com/en/...n-walnut-rifle That’s a muzzleloader

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I agree.
Although that ones still not the real deal.
Got to have a flint on them to make them real. And a bigger hole down the end.

Surely you jest. The flint lock was a late comer. The real deal is the match lock and none of that fancy rifling stuff either.
GPM.

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Originally Posted by grandpamac

Surely you jest. The flint lock was a late comer. The real deal is the match lock and none of that fancy rifling stuff either.
GPM.

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A mere flash in the pan. It will never catch on

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Originally Posted by rambo-6mmrem

Those things aren’t a muzzleloader’s arsesole
Get a real muzzleloader or don’t bother
Jacketed bullets and smokeless (black powder Equivalent) ie not black powder
https://www.davide-pedersoli.com/en/...n-walnut-rifle That’s a muzzleloader

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Sayes the man who rides a horse
Lives in a tent
Cooks over a fire
Wipes his arse with leaves
Has never visited a Dentist.

Live in the past or dont bother.

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Originally Posted by grandpamac

Surely you jest. The flint lock was a late comer. The real deal is the match lock and none of that fancy rifling stuff either.
GPM.

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I might be crazy, but not that crazy.

"Keep banging those rocks together"

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Originally Posted by Marty Henry

"Keep banging those rocks together"

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Oh no ! We have evolved beyond a couple of rocks and moved on to a pointy stick

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Originally Posted by Marty Henry

"Keep banging those rocks together"

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A reasonable part of my day job involves banging rocks together... :thumbsup:

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Oh no ! We have evolved beyond a couple of rocks and moved on to a pointy stick

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And the world's been on a down hill slide ever since.

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Originally Posted by cb14

I’m exploring buying a muzzleloader so I can hunt the muzzleloader season in Arizona. Has anyone purchased a muzzleloader like this one? Not sure if they’re available in NZ or need to be imported for the US, I’ll keep doing the research to find out.

https://bpioutdoors.com/accura-mr-x/

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I'm really foggy on the specifics at the USA Federal and State level, but a lot of muzzle loaders (percussion, flint, modern, traditional) aren't considered firearms in most of the USA, or at least aren't restricted to NZ citizens to purchase. You will definitely need to do your due diligence on this, but you may just be able to rock up and buy one while you're there for a hunt. There may be some limits on exporting one even though it might not be possession controlled inside the USA, and NZ would obviously want an import permit, but it's definitely a possibility worth considering.

If you have a connection there, they could get it reserved for you so you had the make/model/serial number for the NZ import permit (do that well in advance, I got jerked around last year on that and they issued me a permit the day after I came back to NZ despite being told repeatedly when I needed it for and applying well in advance). Again, I'm really fuzzy on this, but it is worth looking into.

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Originally Posted by canross

I'm really foggy on the specifics at the USA Federal and State level, but a lot of muzzle loaders (percussion, flint, modern, traditional) aren't considered firearms in most of the USA, or at least aren't restricted to NZ citizens to purchase. You will definitely need to do your due diligence on this, but you may just be able to rock up and buy one while you're there for a hunt. There may be some limits on exporting one even though it might not be possession controlled inside the USA, and NZ would obviously want an import permit, but it's definitely a possibility worth considering.

If you have a connection there, they could get it reserved for you so you had the make/model/serial number for the NZ import permit (do that well in advance, I got jerked around last year on that and they issued me a permit the day after I came back to NZ despite being told repeatedly when I needed it for and applying well in advance). Again, I'm really fuzzy on this, but it is worth looking into.

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Thanks for the tips. I will look into any export restrictions.

I have applied for an import permit already, so will see how that goes. I already have one for my rifle and apply for it each year 10 months in advance haha

As your import permit was too late, did you just not take your rifle? Were you hunting there?

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Originally Posted by cb14

Thanks for the tips. I will look into any export restrictions.

I have applied for an import permit already, so will see how that goes. I already have one for my rifle and apply for it each year 10 months in advance haha

As your import permit was too late, did you just not take your rifle? Were you hunting there?

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I had wanted to bring some stuff back with me while I was traveling, but had to leave it. It's still there :/

I had a couple of .50 cal Thompson modern muzzle loaders when I lived state side. Black powder pellets and copper jacketed 45 cal projectiles in sabots. Shot gun primer to ignite.

With a little kahles 4x scope, a 300 gn pill on top of 3x50 gn fffg? Pellets was very accurate and hard hitting. Like a BP .45/70 I guess. Got a few whitetail bucks with it.



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A mate who was a guide refused any clients who used a traditional ML in Alaska. He had experienced to many problems with guns not going off or people who couldn't shoot.

He had one of those inline ML and I was pretty impressed with it.Like Dicko sayes,he pellets are the way to go.Don't fuck about playing Davy Crocket ,go shoot an Elk with your son.

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A mate who was a guide refused any clients who used a traditional ML in Alaska. He had experienced to many problems with guns not going off or people who couldn't shoot.

He had one of those inline ML and I was pretty impressed with it.Like Dicko sayes,he pellets are the way to go.Don't fuck about playing Davy Crocket ,go shoot an Elk with your son.

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Yip, agreed.

The one in the OP is next level. Appears to be an advancement in projectiles past sabots.


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The one in the OP is next level. Appears to be an advancement in projectiles past sabots.


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Looking at this option too.

https://www.cabelas.com/shop/en/cva-...r-optic-sights

CB14,
I had Thompson Center Omega .50 cal.
The link you posted last is a near copy by the look of it. I have a rail for it you can have if you think you might buy one. I believe the still make them and they have a good rep.

While knight and REM 700’s were heavily promoted, if I was to buy a top shelf modern ML I’d look at the Thompson Center G2 ml rifles. But I’m a bit out of touch with the modern ml scene now.


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Originally Posted by Dicko

CB14,
I had Thompson Center Omega .50 cal.
The link you posted last is a near copy by the look of it. I have a rail for it you can have if you think you might buy one. I believe the still make them and they have a good rep.

While knight and REM 700’s were heavily promoted, if I was to buy a top shelf modern ML I’d look at the Thompson Center G2 ml rifles. But I’m a bit out of touch with the modern ml scene now.


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Thanks for the info and offer of the rail! I'll let you know.

As far as I know when it comes to export of Muzzleloaders from the U.S if they are cap or flintlock and based on pre cartridge they are considered antique wither original or a reproduction and not restricted for export or ownership. A convicted Fellon in most states can carry say a 6 shot cap and ball revolver within the law but not an Uberti Cattleman 6 shot cartridge revolver. Inline muzzleloaders are treated as firearms and export Clerance needs to be obtained.
So you wouldn`t have any problem buying a Hawken 50cal but there may be some issues with a inline.