This series has a few fundamental flaws, this might be one of them ???
Bipod – What The Pros Use | PrecisionRifleBlog.com
There must be a reason why the Atlas are so poorly represented ?
Still love my Harris's, pod-spikes & lock then away you go 8)
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This series has a few fundamental flaws, this might be one of them ???
Bipod – What The Pros Use | PrecisionRifleBlog.com
There must be a reason why the Atlas are so poorly represented ?
Still love my Harris's, pod-spikes & lock then away you go 8)
Interesting comment... What do you think the flaws are Greg ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg
I like the Harris as Kiwi Greg.
I have a couple- at this time of year the grass is high, the one I use now is about 26" to the base of the rifle.
Just sit and take the shot.:)
KH
Give them another 100 years and they'll come round. Don't know if you could pick a more conservative, change resistant demographic! :P
One of the more obvious ones was with part of the scope test if it wasn't FFP it got severely marked back.Quote:
Originally Posted by ebf
Was surprising to see how poorly some of the "good" scopes fared in that test
As the article mentions - Atlas are slower to deploy. Not sure i would be too keen on the pan ability either - would encourage screwing up your natural point on aim not to mention make the rifle recoil funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by ebf
Do the atlas feet sit inside the harris ones i.e. not as wide a foot print and potentially less stable? Atlas are more expensive as well.
I have both Harris and a Versapod, Harris being exactly like the one that is most popular.
I much much prefer my Harris, I thought the swivelingness of the Versapod would be great and make shooting on uneven ground much better, but I find I just get annoyed at it flopping around everywhere and tighten it up so it's like the Harris.
I prefer the rigidity of the Harris, like that it doesn't angle back and forth, like the much lower weight, and that the whole bipod is quick detachable.
Have never tried an Atlas bipod, they look good, like the leg extention idea, but feel I may get annoyed with it not being rigid the same way I do with the Versapod.
I would say I would rather the 9-13 Harris though, in the field almost never use the lowest setting and always wish I had more height on it.
Used and have both, think it's a personal thing.
This review of gimps is dam good.
http://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co.n...ead.php?t=7036
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Ok wait, let's make sure we are on the same page :D
Greg, are you saying that PRS is flawed ?
Closest hinge have here is probably the Gillie series, haha. Keen to hear his comments about FFP for that type of shooting.
Interesting KG.
Just different shooters used different bipods.
1 thing I did notice was all the Harris pods were modified to suit, with aftermarket bits. The Atlas weren't as they had numerous factory accessories.
Personally I have 3 types. Harris, ATI and Atlas.
All work well for the type of shooting I use them for. Although I have lent my Harris to a mate long term as it doesn't fit on my AR too easily.
It's really a bit like who likes Remington/Tikka or Ford/Holden. :ORLY:
The best bipod I have ever used is the old Sako TRG-22/42 series bipod , before they narrowed the feet down , for the extended rail .
Its a neat design , that is basically a low CoG type bipod , very stable , as the rifle hangs under the bipod , not on top as with ever normal bipod design .
The best new bipod I have seen , is the elite iron revolution bipod , basically the Sako on a ring mount , I would like some one to make something similar for all the rifles using octagonal tube forearms .
This design is nothing new , the Russians used this back in WWII , on the DP series Light machinegun .
Later Chris
I was meaning the series of reviews on products the guy does, PrecisionRifleBlog.com & how he does it, criteria, etc not the actual shooting series :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ebf
I like his methodology but you have to remember it's based on the requirements of PRS shooters. Not necessarily a direct translation to NZ hunters/shooters.
The only reason that the Harris is used more frequently in the PRS series (yes, I know, series series) is that it is quicker to deploy. Very important in timed matches. If you follow it you will see that the difference between 1st and 5th is often measured in seconds.
In all other respects the Atlas is a superior product.
Except for the all important $$$ and also simplicity in terms of mounting? Don't you have to Maori up a rail onto any rifles you want to attach the atlas too?Quote:
Originally Posted by Proudkiwi
Do you determine 'superiority' by how cheap an item is or how good it is? It's up the individual to work out what 'value' means to them but quality is quality regardless of price.Quote:
Originally Posted by PerazziSC3
Yes you do need a rail which really isint a big deal. Especially considering some of the other shit that people attach to their rifles.
In terms of simplicity of mounting, try both and then tell me which is easier. It sure as shit wont be the Harris. Unless you have installed the Larue mod, which means you have a rail attached anyway.
Yes but all well in good having the highest quality. Product but not much use if people don't want to pay the price tag, that and the need for a rail is why I haven't bought one. If I still had ar15's I would get a Chinese copy atlas as it would be simple to mount on one of the many rails.
Yes I agree mounting an atlas is much less fiddly ONCE you have got the rail sorted on every rifle you want to use it on. I just find the Harris a more versatile option as basically every rifle from a shitty 22 to a nice custom will have a sling stud
I do 80% of my shooting down hill and I think Atlas type legs would be better with the legs facing more foreword pressure without slipping and also like the locking feature on the legs too. On the steep up hill with a Harris, have had the rifle roll backwards unnoching the leg/legs and the rifle falling over when Atlas wouldn't do that.
the one thing harris has over the atlas in spades is speed
Harris 1A2 -LM model
Lighest, strongest, best.
Dead Deer
Except a Blaser.Quote:
Originally Posted by PerazziSC3
I reckon it's better to have no uneven pressure that can arise if using a Harris type bipod. The atlas can be almost as tight anyway. I'd like to try one of their new cradle designs (the ones that sold out instantly)
I could attach my atlas to my stock, fold the legs out and set up for my shot before you could do the same thing with a harris. ( talking about, not having it on the rifle to start with)
Yep and a day pack is faster again - more so over multiple targets... :P
Not too sure about that. Don't need to take the bipod off your back and place it on the ground in a good spot in front of you. With a bipod can just flick the legs out and down and it moves position with the rifle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gillie
@gadgetman, a daypack of appropriate size and suitable packed is much faster when you are on uneven ground (or rocks) and when you have multiple targets spaced apart - and is just as fast on nice ground as well. The day pack doesn't tempt you to screw up your natural point of aim the same way skewing a bipod will - this is a very common error we see in a lot of shooters at field shoots. A day pack can be used as low as you want and, depending on its size and set up, you can use them while sitting as well. A daypack is not limited to the front of the stock either, it can be used as a rear support for the rifle or along the length of the rifle to fully support it. Day pack can be used to further stabilise your sitting or kneeling position by providing extra support for your knees or elbows. A daypack doesn't add weight to the front of the rifle, doesn't get caught on scrub and long grass as easy - funnily enough, in a lot of cases, a daypack is cheaper than a bipod as well.
Problem with a daypack is that it is harder to hold a rifle as steady off them as you can get in off a bipod - this said, for my shooting, the day pack is generally more practical. I don't bother carrying a bipod with me hunting anymore (Out to 400m or so) as I almost always have a daypack. If I am doing a long range shoot then I carry a bipod.
Just an opinion though, so each to their own :thumbsup:
Indeed. I mainly shoot where I need a very tall bipod to get above the grass and undulations. If going to a second target I just lift the rifle and turn to the second target and the bipod comes too, naturally resting without skewing.
I find daypacks good IF THEY ARE FULL it can be a hassle if you have your wet gear on and not enough stuff left in your bag. I have a few Harris bipods, 2 versa pods and have used an atlas. I like the swivel feature of the versappd and once you load it everything locks up. I like to be able to put my bipods on when i need them and like that to be quick. This way I can carry the rifle nicely, use pack if suitable or quickly clip bipod on if needed. I mounted a spigot onto a couple of my rifles which has proven to be very good for my style of hunting. I seldom use the Harris now except for on my rem mag which has a manners stock that I have not yet applied my tools to...
The atlas concept seems good to me and would also suit my hunting style (am contemplating this for the rem mag to prevent having to do permanent mods)
Preference of swivel/pan/stuff definitely highlights it is all down to personal preference although I think I could be happy with any of the three main types if I didn't know of anything else
I'm going to put one of these on my vorn pack, I never hunt with a bipod on but do often have one in the pack.
http://www.eberlestock.com/miva/merc...tegory_Code=AC
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Originally Posted by BRADS
Yes sir a mate is.Quote:
Originally Posted by distant stalker
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I too think back pack only works if it is full, otherwise it just sinks and goes floppy once place the gun in the top. Then I feel silly packing out my bag with stuff I hardly need just to bulk it up, when I have two perfectly good bipods I can use. That being said, unless im after small critters O don't have my bipod mounted.
It's a good opinionQuote:
Originally Posted by Gillie
Versapod style remains my favourite style of bipod, just totally impractical to mount to 99% of rifles.