One gun?

284 should only be an option when needing more horsepower from a short action or why wouldnt you just go 280.

I would think if this is a guiding operation ( And I am in no way am trying to tell you how to run your business) a lot of your clients would be novices who would much rather be taught how to stalk into 100-200y and take a ethical shot from where they can actually see the animal if you know what I mean.

Those ready to shoot 3-4-500 yards will most likely have there own rifle set up for this already.

Get a 50 cal and shoot them from the Jacuzzi ahhh hot German girls in a Jacuzzi! I know how to enlarge their eyes for a better shot!

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Bush edge stalking Gillie, most shots can be taken lying down.
Yes supervised.


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6,5/06 bro

brand new marlin X7 at H&F for $1000 in .308 with DPT can and a scope. cant really go wrong

Marlin! Wtf like buying a Lada?:thumbsup:

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I'll rent out my 7mm08 for you Brads.:D

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I can't believe @Dundee beat @Scouser to it but there might be something in that as an "everybody choice" needs low recoil and yet covers off smurfs - I mean, those smaller of stature :D and Aucklanders... Lol.

I'd reckon the 7mm rem mag would have been a good choice if you think the longer shots to be the norm with suppressor as it shoots nice and flat ( covers up for newbie fuck ups ) and manageable recoil with a good can and available in tikka and Remington clothes. And one of those leupy CDS scopes would have been on the money.

I hear Gibo has one he'll get rid of :ORLY:

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Mate I've hunted with 3 different groups with blasers in the last 3 weeks.
None have impressed me at all to be honest[emoji13]


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Can't blame the rifle in my case. Just operator error (aka shitty shooting). Gave ol sleepy girl a fright though.

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284 should only be an option when needing more horsepower from a short action or why wouldnt you just go 280.

I would think if this is a guiding operation ( And I am in no way am trying to tell you how to run your business) a lot of your clients would be novices who would much rather be taught how to stalk into 100-200y and take a ethical shot from where they can actually see the animal if you know what I mean.

Those ready to shoot 3-4-500 yards will most likely have there own rifle set up for this already.

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Something I hadn't considered but highly likely to be correct Cam.

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Where are these 400 shots at your pad bro? Nothing under 500 from Tobys hill ha ha

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It was more of a buzz to knock down all the original ranges we first saw deer at by over 50% than anything else. Considering the terrain, my vote will be for a 7-08 with some decent camo and a bit of luck in not being seen.
We did it with a 7 month old puppy and an 8year old girl. Both first timers so it should be able to be done with most.

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It was more of a buzz to knock down all the original ranges we first saw deer at by over 50% than anything else. Considering the terrain, my vote will be for a 7-08 with some decent camo and a bit of luck in not being seen.
We did it with a 7 month old puppy and an 8year old girl. Both first timers so it should be able to be done with most.

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Ha ha good shit. Me and Neckshot tried to shrink the gap on a spiker one time and got busted, would have looked like two earth balls rolling down the hill ha ha

I know Fleurtys outfit used to use a TC encore, very rugged and reliable. Being a single shot it was the safest to give to a client new to guns. Seeing the gun carried open gave the guides peace of mind. Guide always carried his own backup. They are straight stocked so a left or right handed shooter can use it. The calibre was 7-08 but anything similar will do. Having taken a few clients out on an east coast operation I can agree with VC you don't want greenhorn hunters doing big shots. Get them as close as they can, they get all excited and do dumb things. Trust me you're going to see some doozies

You will even get some real doozies with so called "experienced"clients.



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Yep thteres some shockers out there, but even the best make mistakes. My point was don't let all the gun nerds on here go all frothy about some oddball calibre. Consider who is using the gun first, then what he plans to do with it. You want safe, reliable, and ambidextrous in that order. Accuracy is relevant to the people using it. Anyone who needs a loan gun will need the above traits first

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Yep thteres some shockers out there, but even the best make mistakes. My point was don't let all the gun nerds on here go all frothy about some oddball calibre. Consider who is using the gun first, then what he plans to do with it. You want safe, reliable, and ambidextrous in that order. Accuracy is relevant to the people using it. Anyone who needs a loan gun will need the above traits first

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100% agree.
As VC pointed out getting as close as possible will be the key, but sometimes 300 is as close as we can get.
Either way with 3 bookings today better get something sorted[emoji41]


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Hardly a stretch for any of the sensible commonly available cartridges. Think adequate power and little recoil. 7-08 270 etc.

Good luck in your new venture!

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...and .243.

Oh and before I forget get good insurance and make sure your clients sign a pretty water tight waiver

Just get a tikka in 7mm-08, that way when all us aucklanders come down we won't feel so much culture shock with all the fresh air and beer that comes in cans :)

Without reading all the threads I'd say .308 or something in the 7mm range.


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Marlin! Wtf like buying a Lada?:thumbsup:

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Nothing I have shot at with my Marlin poo for pee has ever walked away :thumbsup:

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Did they all run instead? :XD:

The best combination of hardest hitting with least recoil for non regular shooters, has to be 2506 Rem, if your clients are yanks they will think it the best thing since sliced bread, 6.5x55 (or 260) would be next best, but yanks don't seem to like Euro cals, 7mm08, 308, 270 and similar have more recoil than a non shooter needs to be on the end of.

im an odd fellow and im ok id go 6.5x55 or 7x57 an old sporterised m96/38 would be cheap and do the job for novice shooters i wouldnt be expecting a first time shooter to be knocking over animals at 500 + however it is doable tho

Well you have crtainly had a few sound ideas and reasons why.
It seems , and it's a good thing , nobody is recomending magnuns etc as posters are experienced enough to know for your spec's you don't need em.

Depends on your client base to Brads, if you looking mainly Dad and Son, or Novice, or if venturing further that will I think impact on your choice
If the Americans are in the mix I really think you'll need more than one rifle, and a 30 06 or 7mm magnum maybe the choice there. They may feel more comfortable with this if it is offered as a choice.I'm not saying you should push it or they should use it but an accurate 30 06 or 7mm as a choice could probably be comfortable to some of those from the USA.

Locals, I know I rattled off a number of calibers before and I still stick with those as generic so take your Pick.
However, a decent, well tuned, suppressed 7mm 08 with you as backup will probably be all the Dad and Dave type need to have a successful hunt.

I have a tikka action with 24 inch barrel in 284 with can, have had in laminated stock, but now synthetic with limbsaver, my nearly 12yr old boy has been bugging me to have a go, he had a smash last week and was fine. So My cal suggestion is 284, for glass you should definitely go dial up so there is no need for the old. Just aim xyz above etc. Having taken boys through a hunting based mentor program and having now put 20 new hunters in last 3 yrs on their first deer I would say for inexperienced Hunter be limit at 300yds/m. Just my 2cents

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BTW all my new hunters use my 708 and max shot has been 280m

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Have to say I wouldn't let a newby to shooting have a bash at anything live past 200yds, you can tell them where to aim till you are blue in the face and you may not get what you need, a clean ethical on the spot kill. Might be handy to mount a green lazer pointer on your back up rifle and blaze the actual spot you want him/her to hit. I have tried exactly that and it seems to work. Am assuming you will back your clients up so you can quickly finish the inevitable gut shot/ leg shot animal, so if you are already on it with a lazer anyway, lights out Bambi or Piggy Sue or Rossi. (he is a GOAT isn't he?)

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I have a tikka action with 24 inch barrel in 284 with can, have had in laminated stock, but now synthetic with limbsaver, my nearly 12yr old boy has been bugging me to have a go, he had a smash last week and was fine. So My cal suggestion is 284, for glass you should definitely go dial up so there is no need for the old. Just aim xyz above etc. Having taken boys through a hunting based mentor program and having now put 20 new hunters in last 3 yrs on their first deer I would say for inexperienced Hunter be limit at 300yds/m. Just my 2cents

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I have some experience n don't really want to shoot at 300 yards...just my personal opinion


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I think for "novices" or father and son type shooting the most off-putting thing is noise.
I have a brake which make my gun much less bouncy and more easier to shoot well'er but apart from when I did load initial load development I have not used it as its too dam noisey.
Ringing ears really ruin your day and dogs not too impressed either.

my .02c would be 7-08 / 308 / 6.5x55 with good scope and suppressed

Being a huge blaser fan, I would never use one as a guide rifle. To complicated in a rush for someone having never used one.

I have heard other guides rubbishing blasers that clients carry. It isint the tool in my experience, it is the operator and lack of experience with the tool. Have had mine for over 15 yrs and apart from a bumped scope, I am the only liability it has, like most rifles.

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Have to say I wouldn't let a newby to shooting have a bash at anything live past 200yds, you can tell them where to aim till you are blue in the face and you may not get what you need, a clean ethical on the spot kill. Might be handy to mount a green lazer pointer on your back up rifle and blaze the actual spot you want him/her to hit. I have tried exactly that and it seems to work. Am assuming you will back your clients up so you can quickly finish the inevitable gut shot/ leg shot animal, so if you are already on it with a lazer anyway, lights out Bambi or Piggy Sue or Rossi. (he is a GOAT isn't he?)

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Its one of those hard calls

To take your time and get a good rest and make a relaxed shot at further distance is much easier and clients will shot better then stalking in and having to rush a shot.
Its one of them damned if you do damned if you don't situations sometimes.

A few thoughts to consider--
1 You want a clean kill at 400 metres. This means that allowing for mediocre shot placement, you will want about 1000 ft lbs at that range.
2 You will probably have allowed the client some practice shooting prior to hunting in order to familiarize them with the rifle. A high recoiling rifle will stuff most of them up. Therefore you need a heavy rifle to reduce recoil and muzzle jump. A long mid-weight barrel might be considered.
3 You will want to minimize the noise factor. Therefore you need a good can.
4 You require consistent accuracy and therefore a good quality rifle.
5 You require a very good indemnity clause and insurance policy. I would suggest this would exclude handloads.

In view of the above criteria, a powerful cartridge no less than 7mm / 284 / 308 cal 150 grain high bc round at >2800fps MV with a purpose installed recoil absorbing stock and a gross weight of not less than around 8 lbs is probably what you need; fitted with a can and cds dial scope. A portable rest would be mandatory.

Bolt action only.

I wouldn't like any novice shooting past 300 if can be helped. Get in as close as possible. Huge fan of the mighty 243 but prefer to be shooting 220m and under and I think theres better cals are there if 300-400m shots are on. Suppressor must be the go ,something like 2506, 7m 08, 260 etc . Least recoil as possible , decent scope cant go wrong.

It's already in your safe mate...


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Why sell down when you've got this.

Light, heaps of knock down energy for a humane kill, even from perhaps a poorly placed shot. Hardy can settles the recoil and sorts the noise. The client doesn't need to hear the 'Ultra Magnum' part of the cal name.
The last thing you need is to be bashing around with a client in the scrub looking for an animal wounded with a pop gun....not a good look.
Look at Josh James's latest video, a guy took a shot at his first deer, all they found was a fragment of leg bone and a knee-cap, they joked about a three legged deer running around the bush.....that ain't flash.....you may have a female client.....that would go down like a cup of cold sick with the ladies.
I'm sure Brian Elworth ( The Sika Man ) lent his clients a 30 cal magnum of sorts with a can on it.

It's in your safe, all sorted, ready to go.

Just sayin'

B

One advantage that Brad has is his longrange gongs. He can take a client out to the gong range and give them some practice before they try the real thing. He can also check out how well they can shoot at different ranges and use that to decide how far to let them shoot on a live animal. It will also give the client confidence as well.
It would be awesome to get a life-size steel deer made up as well. It and the rifle will be tax deductible too!

Think its settled then, Tikka T3 6.5x55/260, dpt can, Leupold VX3 or VX6, limbsaver and possibly different stock.

I have a Tikka T3 in 260 I may consider selling if that's what you decide you want.

b j holdsworth uses a 7mmsaum for all his clients

That particular saum pushes a 162 amax at 2950fps

Whats not to like, its Perfect

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b j holdsworth uses a 7mmsaum for all his clients

That particular saum pushes a 162 amax at 2950fps

Whats not to like, its Perfect

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That looks familiar :D

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b j holdsworth uses a 7mmsaum for all his clients

That particular saum pushes a 162 amax at 2950fps

Whats not to like, its Perfect

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Finally some logic and somebody not trying to flog off a popgun that six months ago was the duck nuts.

Drive over and slap him please.

B

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b j holdsworth uses a 7mmsaum for all his clients

That particular saum pushes a 162 amax at 2950fps

Whats not to like, its Perfect

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His deer are fenced in and feed maize you could just cut there throats with a knife


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