Please help - Just found out my gun be might be E-Cat...

Hello,

I've only had my license a few years and have been out to shoot a handful of times in total as I can't find time with work. I've just signed up here and have found out from reading on here that they changed something with guns with handgrips a while ago. I'm worried that my Marlin .22 that I've had since I got my license is now an e-Cat instead of an a-Cat. The first thing I'm going to do on Monday is of course call my local arms officer and find out for certain and what I can/should do, however I wanted to see other peoples experiences on here. Any suggestions? My .22 has a stock that has an open pistol grip handle design. I've just looked at the law changes and as far as I can see it looks like it is now an e-Cat? It has a standard 10 round mag etc. it's only the pistol grip. Anyone else suddenly met with this problem?

Cheers,
Steve

post a photo. what do you mean "open pistol grip handle"

Sorry, I mean the pistol grip doesn't attach to the butt end, which I understand it now does have to to be a-Cat?

Is it semi auto or not?

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Sorry, I mean the pistol grip doesn't attach to the butt end, which I understand it now does have to to be a-Cat?

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post a photo.

Yes it's a semi auto (10 shot) .22

Not at home at the moment so can't get a photo up.

It's like this one, but it has a fixed not adjustable butt:

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It's like this one, but it has a fixed not adjustable butt:

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I would say if its like the stock pictured its always been an e cat. The law only partially changed for a bit for the dragonov style stocks.

But I would say its an e cat.

It's probably an MSSA. Change stock or get your E endorsement. Probably change stock anyway because they're Bad

Yep thats E-Cat.

Really? I bought it with my a-Cat license.

What if I put in a metal road from the bottom of the pistol grip to the end of the stock?

Would've been A-cat before December 2013

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What if I put in a metal road from the bottom of the pistol grip to the end of the stock?

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That'll work

A rod from the grip to the stock was once considered ok but not any more. It either needs a thumbhole stock , a standard rifle type stock or as you have it but as E-Cat.
You would probably get a E- Endorsment with hunting as a reason to own. But are the E-Cat security measuers you will need to comply worth the effort, thats something only you can answer.

If the stock is fixed like you say then it was once an a cat. No worry. Get your e cat. Opens up a world of options to you. Or dont get your endorsment and put it back into its original dress code. Either way, problem solved. I knew their half arsed advertising campaign around the thumbhole stocks bullshit wasnt efficient enough.

Thanks for the input! I wanted to look into getting my e-Cat regardless, however I didn't think "hunting" was a legitimate reason.

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Thanks for the input! I wanted to look into getting my e-Cat regardless, however I didn't think "hunting" was a legitimate reason.

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Hunting is now considered a reason to own. 3 gun club shoots or Commercial helecopter venison recovery (do they still do that??) are better reasons to own but with all the AR15`s that came into the country as A-Cat over the last few years and the Government wanting them listed as E-Cat the reason to own was shell we say relaxed a bit.
Another bit a few miss is a Free standing pistol grip. Its not stated weither the grip is behind or in front of the trigger , So the boys with say a Saiga and a romainan foward grip are in all intense and purpose in posession of a E-Cat firearms.

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Its not stated weither the grip is behind or in front of the trigger , So the boys with say a Saiga and a romainan foward grip are in all intense and purpose in posession of a E-Cat firearms.

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grip, in relation to a firearm, means a component of the firearm that (whether or not it is also designed to serve some other purpose or purposes) is designed to be gripped by the trigger hand of a person while the person is firing the firearm.

My advice would not be to go to the police and say "do I have an illegal gun?". If your AO is a cunt things will go pear shaped really fast.

Quickest way of getting legal would be to remove the barrel and action from the offending stock and have that stock stored on a different premises to your barrel and action. Then you can either go buy an a-cat stock and reassemble, or go through the process of upgrading your security to e-cat requirements, and apply for the endorsement.

It's not enough to disassemble your rifle and keep all the parts on hand. A disassembled e-cat firearm is still an e-cat.

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Quickest way of getting legal would be to remove the barrel and action from the offending stock and have that stock stored on a different premises to your barrel and action. Then you can either go buy an a-cat stock and reassemble, or go through the process of upgrading your security to e-cat requirements, and apply for the endorsement.

It's not enough to disassemble your rifle and keep all the parts on hand. A disassembled e-cat firearm is still an e-cat.

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+1, and adding a rod isn't good enough either.

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Thanks for the input! I wanted to look into getting my e-Cat regardless, however I didn't think "hunting" was a legitimate reason.

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it magically "became" a legit reason during the last stock "shambles" :D

The only legit "reason" you need per the legislation is "I want one & I'm fit and proper" but the police will probably deny you, knowing that you'd have to take them to court to appeal it (you'd probably win, but most people are intimidated by this which is exactly what the police want)

free-standing grip, in relation to a firearm, means a grip that... is (if any trigger guard is disregarded) structurally connected to the firearm at only one point

A rod from the stock to the grip would make two points.

Thanks guys. I've already removed the barrel/action from the stock, put the barrel/action back into the safe and have stored the stock elsewhere for now. Will discuss options with arms officer on Monday.

You don't have any options. You missed the boat with the pistol grip "Amnesty". The only option you have is to install your old stock and sell your current one. If you like you can get an E endorsement and then apply to get an endorsement for your rifle so you can use it with that stock. That is it really.

That's exactly what I meant by "options". I've discussed with the arms officer regarding getting my e-Cat. Would have been nice if they had sent out a letter to firearm owners when the amnesty was about, we're not all jacked into media...

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That's exactly what I meant by "options". I've discussed with the arms officer regarding getting my e-Cat. Would have been nice if they had sent out a letter to firearm owners when the amnesty was about, we're not all jacked into media...

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You are assuming the Police actually knew who had licenses and where they lived to send the letter to! :D