Can we make a list of non semi-automatic rifles that will/might be banned under the proposed legislation and the reason
BSA Sportsman 15 .22LR It has a 15 shot tubular magazine. Magazines greater than 10 shot will be prohibited.
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Can we make a list of non semi-automatic rifles that will/might be banned under the proposed legislation and the reason
BSA Sportsman 15 .22LR It has a 15 shot tubular magazine. Magazines greater than 10 shot will be prohibited.
My most accurate 22:
Remington 582 15 shot Tube mag
I'm wondering if we can get these pinned, if can be done for shotties maybe . . .
And I also have my Dad's BSA Sportsman 15 that I stared shooting with at age 8 or 9
Not sure where you want to go with this... I would change this to "definitely banned"...and wait for clarifications to come through as there are too many grey areas out there at the moment... Pistol grip bolt actions, MVP that use a 7 rnd but AR compatible MAG, Suppressors on bolt actions, 223/5.56 ammo? Military style bolt actions, a 10/22 with two ten rnd mags glued back to back....?Quote:
Originally Posted by stug
I hope you've all made a submission on those points, you've got tonight to do it
Browning BL22
Winchester 1890 and Mod 62
Remington 572
Henry Golden Boy
Winchester 94 - 22
Are they coming for my Black powder Baker Rifle and bayonet???
I'd like to get a list of non semi-auto rifles I can point out will be banned because of new legislation in a submission.
Marlin 39's, Browning , Winchester, Remington.22 pumps not sure on Browning sa side loader as mine is a top loader and takes 8.
Almost need to refer to the import list the cops have. The list that says what firearms are/where available to import and use. That list will have most of em.
My heirloom 06 Winchester takedown pump 22. Just put 15 into it, but required juggling to do so. If done normally, only holds 10.
Did mine, got 'till 6pm tomorrow (Thursday) to submit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walker
Most of the lever action centre fire rifles.
soooo......... everything?Quote:
Originally Posted by LBD
In my submission I'm asking for a schedule of exempted firearms, or classes of firearms, such as specific models or for example .22 rimfire rifles with high capacity tube mags.
I think the problem with that Muzza, is it looks a bit like anything that can be done, can be undone so will not be allowed. Of course we all hope that wont be the case but with all the fuzz and muddy waters it will be a while before we know what the hell is going on.
Probably easier to make a list of what isn’t banned. Might be a shorter list.
My first rifle unfortunately turned it into a dummy lurncher for dog retrievingQuote:
Originally Posted by stug
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I have a Browning BL22, first rifle I bought and have shot thousands of bunnies in central otago with it over the years. A very trusty reliable friend. It would break my bloody heart to have to give it up, I would liken it to taking the dog to the vet to be put down. Bloody hard thing to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beavis
Multiply that feeling by a factor of 10 for some Semi auto ownersQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr Browning
Would it be fair to saw that any centrefire with a detachable mag will be gone.
Only in semi-auto or if the mag is > 10 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetawa
Shortening a tube mag on the likes of a BL22 is not something that can be undone. And I have seen nothing that would suggest that would be unacceptable. they stated that you cannot modify a semi auto to less than 5 rounds to make it legal in the OIC, but that seems to be because once the law was pushed through, the rifle was gone anyway even if it only had 4 shots. And they were not accepting action alterations to make them non-semi auto because those mods could be undone....
I have seen nothing regarding not being allowed to shorten 22 magazines and if you may think it sacrilegious to do so, it is better than the crusher.
Are there any revolver rifles out there? A cylinder holds 6 rounds and fires every time you pull the trigger... Rossi Circuit Judge, is just one example.
When you say if the mag is 10 rounds, is that fitted to the rifle or able to be purchased.Quote:
Originally Posted by gadgetman
There in lies the great issue. That is not specified and up to (police) interpretation....Quote:
Originally Posted by tetawa
Dont think so because of the ease with which these are made into pistols. I dont think they are on the approved firearms list and as such would already be restricted. (Please correct me if I am wrong here.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bol Tackshin
@tetawa it is only the magazine that is prohibited, except for pump action shotguns that are capable of being used with a detachable magazine. For every other non-prohibited firearm so long as the magazines you have in your possession hold 10 rounds or less you are fine.
What's the score with bolt actions that take the same mags as a semi? Mossberg MVP and AR mags or Ruger American Ranch and mini 30 mags for example. Are the mags still legal or are these rifles basically gone without (imaginary)compensation?
That is where there is a conflict in the proposed laws. The firearm itself is OK, but it contains a banned part.
It's so open to interpretation. I have multiple chassis rifles. Pistol grips per se aren't a problem... but if it's compatible with a prohibited firearm, technically no. As are the buffer tubes, castle nuts, stocks... and suppressors, and scopes.
Part of me thinks maybe modofying the chassis to make it incompatible with AR furniture is an idea. Fill the buffer tube with epoxy. Mill the interface for the pistol grip flat and make my own grips. Good luck using them on an AR.
But then there's still an AR out there somewhere that'll be compatible with the scopes and suppressors I have. So unless the intention is to ban them too, it's unreasonable to consider them AR parts, in which case it's also unreasonable to consider the furniture as AR parts.
One great big grey area.
Yup. This is why they should've had a sit down and worked it out with someone who knows what they are talking about.
they thought they were being definitive and clever but either obviously didn't realise the scope (remember dick snot Cahill telling them that it wouldn't affect many) of the whole thing or just that they are trying to get as much collateral damage as they can. Bit of both probably
The Order in Council flow chart exempts .22 semi automatic rifles with a 10 shot magazine.....a Ruger SL22 fits that description....but it is a AR 15 lookalike..what gives?
Under the new legislation firearms will no longer be classified by look, only function. The MSSA definition will no longer legally exist. So the firearm you stated will be fine.