To what degree do brakes increase the noise compared to un-braked I wonder?
And what about when compared to a good suppressor?
Lastly, what about muzzle blast from a suppressor?
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To what degree do brakes increase the noise compared to un-braked I wonder?
And what about when compared to a good suppressor?
Lastly, what about muzzle blast from a suppressor?
Without proper testing equipment it is hard to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
I do know some brakes are louder than others, same with suppressors.
Some rifles/cartridges/calibres are louder using the same brake.
On centre fires in most circumstances suppressors aren't hearing safe.
Obviously they are more hearing safe than no suppressor or a muzzle brake.
Down range noise is greatly reduced with a suppressor or decent brake.
On non-magnum or heavy magnums shooting light projectiles a suppressor is much nicer to shoot.
Brakes are noisy, obnoxious, anti social devices that will save your shoulder & eyebrow :)
The noise from brakes is louder, mainly because the noise is directed back towards the shooter. Greg's brakes are awesome for recoil reduction, but you will feel the blast on your face, not unpleasant but it is there, I had a T2 on my 7RUM.
My 7SAUM with a radial brake doesn't direct the blast backwards, so you don't feel it on the face, but won't reduce the recoil as much as Greg's brakes.
I NEVER shoot any braked rifle without hearing protection so the noise increase isn't really an issue.
Suppressors are definitely quieter for the shooter.
On my old 17HMR I had an end of barrel Gunworks suppressor $99.00 on my new 17HMR I have a more expensive, over barrel, MAE suppressor and its gotta go its really noisy. Another DPT maybe? but then ill have baffle issues?:O_O: and its a pissy HMR
No one else around you will thank you for using a brake. But for the shooter, it makes shooting your rifle a dream!
Some brakes increase the noise level to above where it's hearing safe even with hearing protection - the increased noise is more than the NRR of muffs/plugs
If using a decent side ported brake like a Terminator then yes to the shooter & all his lucky mates sitting next to him will be far louder than no brake, but to the animal you're firing at it is amazing how it diffuses the blast, the sound ends up rolling around the hills behind you & they don't seem to be able to pick a direction from where the shot was fired.
Plus your shoulder will love you for it :)
Greg,Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg
U.S. MIL-STD 1474D and E specify 140 dB as the impulse noise peak exposure limit.
The European Unition directive 2003/10/EC specifys 137 dB for the same.
With an effective suppressor, those can be reached in pretty much all sporting & hunting centrefire calibres.
Whereas with a good and effective muzzle brake, the unsuppressed levels at the shooters ear can be 5-10 dB louder.
So the levels that the shooter will be exposed to are c. 163-170+ dB if not using any hearing protection.
Best Regards!
Tuukka Jokinen
Ase Utra sound suppressors
Hearing safe is a very subjective subject, I'm not an expert but suppressed rifles still make my ears ring so damage is being done, not hearing "safe" for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuukka
I shot isn't too bad but multiple shots not so much, hearing damage is cumulative
Yes much better than no suppressor & miles better than any muzzle brake.
I have a couple of your suppressors I quite like them reasonably compact & lightish
F&^king LOUD! Unless you use decent hearing protection a suppressor is the only way to go. A good break like a terminator will make any big banger feel like a 243 though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
Find out what damage that percussion does to your brain as the shockwave passes through your skullQuote:
Originally Posted by Tussock
I have used braked rifles that made your ears ring even though earplugs and the highest grade muffs were worn
The sound comes in through your face and forehead
Leaves you feeling a bit punch drunk sometimes
Terminator brakes are the quietest i have ever used for the shooter, loud for yer mates though
Quietest place to bino from is directly behind the shooter
Every time i do a load development and see that the rifle has a suppressor i say a little "you fuckin beauty"
Heard a story from a guy who let rip with his braked 338LM over the truck bonnet. When he got in to drive away after the event he was wondering what the f^ck the lines were all over his windscreen......it was cracked from the shock wave :wtfsmilie: :oh noes:
Fuck#ng loud Bruce. Only ever used radial brakes on 7 rem mag or 7 saum (that's enough power for me) so can't comment re side discharge. Personally like suppressors better but on a magnum I reckon the long barrel and suppressor makes them too muzzle heavy for off hand shots.
Brakes are sort of like a necessary evil to stop you getting face caved in on a funny angle with a big booting gun. The noise is fuc$ing horrendous though.
What would you suggest then... just go straight pipe?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mauser308
Shit, I was thinking of getting one of these things, now you're putting me off!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mauser308
I currently own an unbreaked Remington 5R Milspec in .300 Winchester Magnum (as the name suggests) firing 208g A-Max bullets at around 2980fps, and I fairly recently took a 20 year old girl out with it and she hadn't fired anything more than a .22 LR before! She sat down at the range and the first shot blew her hat clean off of her head! She then fired the other two shots and the three shots in total measured <3/4" at 100m. I then gave her a flinch test whereby she only battered an eyelid, then I took her out to the field where she shot her first deer at 350 meters!
The point I'm trying to make here is that if a 20 y/o girl who's never fired anything greater than a .22LR before, can do all that with an unbreaked magnum, then (despite the screams and cries from all the pussies out there) you don't really need a "loudner" on the end of your barrel... I was just thinking it was going to make the whole experience a hell of a lot better that's all!
Plenty of people use brakes on rifles for hunting and never go to official ranges so offending people is not an issue for everyone
Clearly Mr. Mauser is not a fan, however, your point is duly noted! The range is one place where I was expecting a brake to be beneficial, especially when indulging in load development and at our local NZDA range you generally have to book it for yourself anyway, so for me, making it unpleasant for others shouldn't really be a problem, the only thing is if is gonna be detrimental (in the ways Mr. Mauser was speaking) to me, the shooter!Quote:
Originally Posted by MSL
A lightweight overbore magnum is certainly a lot nicer to shoot with one
I have one of gregs brakes and its not at all noisy to shoop with aslong you you were good muffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Remington 5R .300 Win Mag
If your 5 feet eather side is much worse then behind.
And amazingly effectiveQuote:
Originally Posted by 199p
do you guys remember the Browning Boss systems??????/ mate had it on a .25/06 and we went out after wallabies
all went well till he fired the first shot,we didn't get bugger all after that as the dogs couldn't keep running once they had tucked their paws into their ears!!!!!!!!!!!
that was enough for me
had a guy on range with same rifle in .30/06 and it was very unpleasant we tried taping up ports even putting aluminium off coke can on first but she blew all that away too, not a nice rifle to be around, now poke a suppressor on it and it would be fine, I get AROUND the length issue by keeping can in back pack while travelling through thick scrub or carry rifle slung across front of body with muzzle (can on) out right side above shoulder which puts my left hand right by the pistol grip,I find it pleasant enough to carry this way as it balances nicely.