Anyone using one?
What size dot are you using and to what range?
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Anyone using one?
What size dot are you using and to what range?
2 moa dot on my 22 l/a. i'm taking it off and foing back to open sights on this rifle as i have 2 other 22's with scopes
I have one on my ar, ranges aren’t very far, I also have a Zeiss 2-12x50 illuminated reticle that I think is awesome
The illuminated reticle on the Zeiss and a red dot are completely different beasts and not comparable (I have a Victory Varipoint scope).
H&F have an Aimpoint H2 mounted on a mock stock you can try. I had a look at it and was quite impressed, although I didn’t expect to be.
The one I looked at was 2 MOA, I think the 4 MOA would be too big from my point of view, and would cover too much of your target at any real range.
I used a bushnell trophy red dot for years on my 45-70, took plenty of animals wasn't very precise past 100 though due to the 5moa dot. Have just replaced it with a sig romeo 4 with a 2moa red dot. Much more precise a lot clearer to look through than the Bushnell and the dot is very crisp. Go with the smallest dot you can get in my opinion.
2 moa our to 400yds 5.56 62sp on wallabies
So having used 2moa on wallabies at 400, how do you reckon 3moa would be at 300 yards on a deer sized target?Quote:
Originally Posted by 300_BLK
Doable but the dot is 9 moa at that stage and would be about it's limit.
Forgot to add have also shot human sized steel targets with 2moa dot out to 400m not on game though. Steel targets are alot more forgiving than live game if you know what I mean the ability to place reliable and consistent shots at that range with a dot takes alot of practice.
I wouldn’t use anything larger than 2moa while my eye sight is good.Quote:
Originally Posted by MSL
But I wouldn’t use it on deer past 150m
Use one on Boar in France aimpont. The range is all within 50yards. On running targets I found you need to keep both eyes open.
For boar sighting and firing I start at the the nuts and come through and touch off the round at the neck. If you shotgun it you will miss in front! Did this on the running boar targets and always shot in front when trying to shoot it with a shotgun style. The nuts to neck is a very small movement and of around 50cm and works really well as your quartering up through the body. Takes you around 50 round to perfect but once you have it down pat you will improve your ratios. Running Boar I’d like to set up one of these back home in NZ. Getting the bugger to run right is quite the challenge for those of an engineering background. But that’s for another thread.
Thought of taking one to Stewart Island this year, but think a scope will be better for threading shots through all those branches and identification in the thick stuff. Last time at port adventure on a very wet day I managed to take a nice hind when all I saw was a nostril and an ear at 3 meters. Not sure if a red dot site with zero magnifying would be able to help in this type of situation.
For open stuff with clear identification then year wicked.
I have a 2 MOA Aimpoint 30HL on a Bergara .44 Mag. I've shot some steel with it and it's great fun. Off a bench I can shoot a huntable group at 100. I've had it out in the bush once and almost took a shot at a deer at something over 100, maybe as much as 150. Can't quite remember. Couldn't take the shot in the end because it didn't present a good target but I think at that range it felt pretty marginal for me, anyway. If I'd been able to improvise a better rest, yeah probably. (assuming it presented a good shot which it didn't.) Will definitely be ok inside 100, and for closer ranges than that it'll be awesome. Comes up to the shoulder, both eyes open, instant acquisition - bang. My assessment is that they are really good for what they're good at, but they are specialised scopes and once they reach their limit, well, they've reached their limit and you have to accept that. I agree that 2 MOA is where it's at, although, hey, I've never tried anything else so what the hell am I talking about.
Trs25 on my mini 30 ,3moa dot,holosun 2moa dot on my sakoA7.prefer the 3 Moa dot for hunting,2moa is good for sighting in and longer range shots.awesome in the type of area I hunt,(kaimais,lake tarawera ,pureora and Clements mill road)most deer shot at 20-60m
1moa too fine? I suspect it would be.
You may find in bright conditions it could be lost even on the highest setting also depends on your eyesight.Quote:
Originally Posted by MSL
You get some with different shaped dots which are selectable by rotating a knob, or by a lever.. Some dots are surrounded by a ring for quick target acquisition, others are an empty ring etc. You CAN shoot a sub 3moa group with a 3moa dot, the only problem issue is the larger dots obscuring the target..
Make sure your red dot sight has click adjustments. Ones with smooth adjustments and lock screws are a pain.
So following on from this, I pulled the 3-9 ultralight off my kimber .308, and decided to get a new red dot.
I had the aimpoint H1 in the past but never really liked it as I couldn’t shoot tight groups with it.
Ended up with a Trijicon RMR 3.25moa, tiny little thing. Got a rail from @Sarvo and put the three pieces together https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...0c0b147e32.jpg
Pulled the rifle up to the shoulder and the dot was bang on in terms of location in the lens. I thought the suppressor might take up a bit of the view but it’s not even visible when aiming.
The rail had obscured the top off the receiver a fair bit, and as the Montana is a blind mag this would be a pain in the ass.
So I pulled the rail off and got the grinder out to chop it up, milled the end true then painted it.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...a93ba6205b.jpg
Now the action is nice and clear and it can be carried comfortably just behind the sight.
Changing the sight height in ‘shooter’ aswell as the zero range told me I needed to be .5” low at 25yards for a 200yard zero, so I bore sighted it and fired three shots to get it close enough.
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Then I went out to 200yards and fired three shots, they all rung the gong so after walking over to have a look, I fired three more shots in quick succession. Fairly happy with that.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...19c7768fb6.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...0a5a6edec0.jpg
I adjusted the sight 1moa down and went to 300yards, which is the fourth shot high and left. So as it stands I’d happily line up on a deer inside 200yards, and with a bit of practice, maybe out to 300. But for now I reckon that’s not bad accuracy for having fired a total of ten rounds.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...c731241e07.jpg
MMM, would be useful on a .404 Jeffery I think.
Nice work, that will be ideal for the roar
You mean it would be criminal on a Jeff?Quote:
Originally Posted by stug
Those trijicons are neat. I saw the first photo and thought, why does he not mount it to the rear of the rail? But I get your good reasons. I hate optics on my lee enfields because I lose the convenience of charger clip loading and single round loading from the top is just... well, so arcane. Also, the top scope rail interferes with reliable extraction/ejection when I want to pull them out gently to avoid gathering shells from nearby bushes.
The forward red dot is the only solution to the top loading requirement, apart from a left mount scope or a scout/pistol scope, both of which do work.
Red dot scopes are pretty parallax free, but some are not perfect towards the edges. Make sure your cheek weld is perfect for viewing the dot centred in the window, be it by padding the comb or sourcing a lower mount.
Here’s my setupAttachment 104864Attachment 104865
i bought a red dot (2moa) ranger with a dovetail to weaver mount for a 22 i bought, however having not even used it the missus prefers open sights.
was 250 for the sight, 50 for the adapter.
make me an offer ! a serious one (i even have the packaging)
The further back you mount the red dots the more you see the suppressor in them that’s another reason to sit 5he forward of the action,the A7 is nice to carry one handed between the red dot and the bolt.
Yeah I carried it for a couple of hours yesterday, nice to carry alright. Mine is 5lb 10oz with suppressor. The closer to your eye the wider the field of view, but yeah, more likely to see the suppressor which could be distracting.
I don’t worry about field of view as I shoot both eyes open.
As do I, that’s why I had no concern mounting it forward
Your groups look good ,I have only ever shot mine at 50m..that’s the average range I shoot at in the bush.
Was your H1 Aimpoint the 4 moa dot which would obscure around 4" of your target at 100 yards you now have 3.25 moa obscuring less of your target at the same range.
A 4 moa dot will obscure 8'' of your target at 200 yards.
I have a 2 moa T1 which shoots good groups at 100 yards but not as tight as even a 4 x scope for me at least.
I have the Aimpoint T1 on my 30/30 Marlin youth 336 model which I have used out to 200 yards on steel and closer in in the tight stuff on pigs and deer.
I also have a Elcan Specter 1 - 4 and I find I have it set on 4x most of the time I have found a wide field of view with low magnification seems to suit me better when I have the choice of a dot at 1 or 4 x magnification.
Another reason may be the Elcan dot is 6 moa at 1 x and 1.5 moa at 4 x magnification so I tend to shoot faster and more accurately with 4 x magnification and a very wide field of view and a smaller dot!
One of the best groups I shot from my AR 15 was when I reloaded with the Barnes 62 gr TSX and this scope https://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Lis...?id=1942985225
I also have a Svarrofffiky (never could spell Swarovski) Z8i 1-8 again a great field of view scope.
I also personally imported all my scopes and when I have issues deal directly with the manufacturer.
The H1 was 2moa. When I used it I sighted it in on a small cross or dot which I found difficult for some reason. This time rather than aim for a small point of aim I am simply centering the dot over the target, hence the square for 25yards and large gong for 200. I found it pretty easy to centre the 3.25moa/6.5” dot at 200.
I use a black circle 1" thick 8" in diameter and a 2" centre dot with white surround at 100 yards I find I can centre the dot over the 2" centre dot and use the 8" circle a bit like a target aperture sight.
I cant see the centre 2" dot but I can use the outer circle to see if I am on the dot, hope this makes some sense.
Works for me I also loved open sights but find dots easier as I get older.
The older I get the better I was.
I purchased this sight in NZ for $600.00 without the mount https://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Lis...?id=1942985225 then went back to importing again on the expensive stuff.
A couple of thoughts on red dots. I've tried both the tube type and holographic and keep going back to a 1-4x20mm scope some wit an illuminated dot in them. With them on 1x and both eyes open it is like shooting a red dot but when needed you can crank them up to 4x and do some pretty exact work with them. on 1x the FOV is so large that shooting flushing birds/rabbits is quite possible. I use the 1-4x20mm scopes on all my drillings and combination guns. Most red dot are quite high and you need to build up the comb of the stock.
After the experiences I've had with them it's good to see they work well for others.
If you have an illuminated reticle in your scope turn the illumination to maximum fit the objective lens cover so you cant see through the scope.
Now aim the rifle with both eyes open you have a red dot scope for the tight stuff.
Its witchcraft and black magic.
That is something I am going to have to try, thanks I would never have thought of that.
You can thank SOCOM for the idea, probably has a sophisticated acronym to go with it.
I have an Armson OEG that I used on a paintball gun. They're actually very handy. Very quick target acquisition and shooting with both eyes open, from either shoulder, since there's no left or right eye dominance to compete with. Precise enough with practice.
Yip its called Costfeckall Tacticool.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasquatch
