Welcome guest, is this your first visit? Create Account now to join.
  • Login:

Welcome to the NZ Hunting and Shooting Forums.

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed.

Terminator DPT


User Tag List

+ Reply to Thread
Page 10 of 11 FirstFirst 1234567891011 LastLast
Results 136 to 150 of 163
Like Tree248Likes

Thread: Redundant Calibres

  1. #136
    Member Micky Duck's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Location
    Geraldine
    Posts
    24,616
    hmmm so its basically a 7.7mm/08 nearly identicle just slightly fatter...one would guess the .310 projectiles made for the x39mm could be used as well as the usual .312 stuff....
    definately useful.
    75/15/10 black powder matters

  2. #137
    Member john m's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Location
    horohoro
    Posts
    799
    7.65 on the left 308 on the right both loaded with 150 gr.
    Name:  20230115_163617.jpg
Views: 251
Size:  1.88 MB
    Last edited by john m; 15-01-2023 at 04:50 PM.
    Micky Duck likes this.
    Velocity is thrilling,but diameter does the real killing.

  3. #138
    Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2018
    Location
    kaiapoi
    Posts
    7,112
    Quote Originally Posted by Micky Duck View Post
    hmmm so its basically a 7.7mm/08 nearly identicle just slightly fatter...one would guess the .310 projectiles made for the x39mm could be used as well as the usual .312 stuff....
    definately useful.
    303-08
    Micky Duck and No.3 like this.

  4. #139
    Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2021
    Location
    Palmerston North
    Posts
    163
    I've got a 30/303 Ross rifle apart from the open sights issue, i.e me at a 100 yards it's iffy but at 50 holes through holes

  5. #140
    Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2019
    Location
    Okawa Hawkes Bay
    Posts
    3,039
    Quote Originally Posted by john m View Post
    7.65 on the left 308 on the right both loaded with 150 gr.
    Attachment 214631
    Greetings,
    This was the first Mauser smokeless cartridge coming out in 1889. The 7.92x57 was not a Mauser cartridge.
    GPM.

  6. #141
    Member john m's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Location
    horohoro
    Posts
    799
    Another redundant setup.
    Name:  20220814_170231.jpg
Views: 277
Size:  2.74 MB
    Old cartridge,full stock accuracy problems,old 4 power scope can't see the target.
    Name:  20220814_104532.jpg
Views: 196
Size:  1.29 MB

    Name:  20220814_110808.jpg
Views: 196
Size:  1.13 MB
    POA was the black square lower right.
    Name:  20230115_164610.jpg
Views: 196
Size:  1.40 MB
    308 on right.
    Tahr, TeRei, Shearer and 3 others like this.
    Velocity is thrilling,but diameter does the real killing.

  7. #142
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2017
    Location
    The 'Naki
    Posts
    2,470
    Quote Originally Posted by Cigar View Post
    That's a bit of a grey area as far as I can tell, but I wouldn't want to be the test case. The description of a sabot round in the actual law said something along the lines of "designed for increased penetration" and I can't see how a soft point .224 projectile fired from a 30 cal meets that description. But a judge may see it differently to me!
    Would have thought a big issue other than penetration would be identification. If someone uses a 6mm sabot shot from a 30 cal rifle how does forensics identify the rifle it was shot from?
    I know a lot but it seems less every day...

    Due to the exorbitant cost of reloading components, warning shots will not be given.

  8. #143
    Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    Mangakino
    Posts
    1,813
    I tried the 224 sabots in 3006.
    Rubbish accuracy.
    Shot one hare at 40m.
    Impressed the rellies with their 22s.

    Sent from my SM-A226B using Tapatalk

  9. #144
    Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2021
    Location
    Tauranga
    Posts
    5,104
    Quote Originally Posted by gundoc View Post
    The whole rationale behind the 'Prohibited Ammunition' law seems to be their fear of someone shooting at the Police with ammo that will penetrate vests. The wording of the legislation about saboted ammo is a bit vague and seems to be able to cover all saboted rifle & pistol ammo. I suspect their fear there is the lack of evidential striations on recovered projectiles which would prevent forensic ballistic evidence being usable in a prosecution. All of the above tends to indicate they may be afraid of the public!
    Still don't understand that rationale. The vest is only good if the person shooting at you is nice enough to shoot you in the vest, and even then anything you will likely find being used for deer in NZ will go straight through a standard Police-issue vest. I would be more concerned with the new fangled frangible lead-free hunting ammo designed to split into several chunks after penetrating a good amount. My understanding is that this type of ammo can end up without much in the way of useful stuff for the forensics as well. As far as sabots, shotgun slugs? Every test I've seen on those is fearsome levels of penetration...
    timattalon and Moa Hunter like this.

  10. #145
    Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2014
    Location
    Christchuch New Zealand
    Posts
    6,068
    Quote Originally Posted by No.3 View Post
    Still don't understand that rationale. The vest is only good if the person shooting at you is nice enough to shoot you in the vest, and even then anything you will likely find being used for deer in NZ will go straight through a standard Police-issue vest. I would be more concerned with the new fangled frangible lead-free hunting ammo designed to split into several chunks after penetrating a good amount. My understanding is that this type of ammo can end up without much in the way of useful stuff for the forensics as well. As far as sabots, shotgun slugs? Every test I've seen on those is fearsome levels of penetration...
    There were accounts of the SV99 being used in Kosavo / Sarajevo with lethal effect against body armour and when it states 5.56 for calibre note that below it is 5.56LR (22LR) . Accuracy meant shot placement at the urban distances was able to 'bypass' body armour - Also worth noting the Russian military 22L ammo has a velocity approaching our 22WMR energy.And they wont sell it even if they were allowed to....
    https://en.kalashnikovgroup.ru/catal...vintovka-sv-99
    Moa Hunter likes this.
    Intelligence has its limits, but it appears that Stupidity knows no bounds......

  11. #146
    Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2021
    Location
    Tauranga
    Posts
    5,104
    Quote Originally Posted by timattalon View Post
    There were accounts of the SV99 being used in Kosavo / Sarajevo with lethal effect against body armour and when it states 5.56 for calibre note that below it is 5.56LR (22LR) . Accuracy meant shot placement at the urban distances was able to 'bypass' body armour - Also worth noting the Russian military 22L ammo has a velocity approaching our 22WMR energy.And they wont sell it even if they were allowed to....
    https://en.kalashnikovgroup.ru/catal...vintovka-sv-99
    "Bypass body armour" is a euphanism for anywhere in the head...
    timattalon likes this.

  12. #147
    Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2021
    Location
    Tauranga
    Posts
    5,104
    Quote Originally Posted by Micky Duck View Post
    ..there are three parts to it... how fast bullet is being driven, how fast its being spun and how hard/stout/soft/fragile the make up of bullet/projectile itself
    @Micky Duck, You're overthinking that a little - the only real part to it is the end part and then matching the bullet to the velocity required and the terminal performance needed. Then the bit about selecting the twist rate to stabilise and making sure the entire package is feasible and obtainable i.e. barrels in the required twist rate.

    Example there is using a .22Hornet rabbit bullet in a high speed .22 centerfire is going to produce interesting results, explosive is one potential word. On the other hand, a .220 Swift varmint bullet makes a handy penetrating bullet in a .22Hornet, good for slipping into the neck/head of fallow and goats. Both barrels seem to run similar twist rates, the only real difference is horsepower behind the pill. The other 'fourth factor' missing from your list is barrel length, which governs how fast you can drive the pills everything else being equal.

  13. #148
    Member Micky Duck's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Location
    Geraldine
    Posts
    24,616
    Quote Originally Posted by Jhon View Post
    Would have thought a big issue other than penetration would be identification. If someone uses a 6mm sabot shot from a 30 cal rifle how does forensics identify the rifle it was shot from?
    no different to a shotgun....... and really unless the firearm of interest is found ,all the rifling in the world makes no difference to end conviction.
    75/15/10 black powder matters

  14. #149
    Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Te Awamutu
    Posts
    977
    Quote Originally Posted by Cigar View Post
    That's a bit of a grey area as far as I can tell, but I wouldn't want to be the test case. The description of a sabot round in the actual law said something along the lines of "designed for increased penetration" and I can't see how a soft point .224 projectile fired from a 30 cal meets that description. But a judge may see it differently to me!
    No grey area. Refer to legislation which is very clear.
    https://www.legislation.govt.nz/regu...html#LMS214867

    Enhanced penetration and discarding sabot ammunition are two separately prohibited ammunition types.

  15. #150
    Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2014
    Location
    Christchuch New Zealand
    Posts
    6,068
    Quote Originally Posted by Makros View Post
    No grey area. Refer to legislation which is very clear.
    https://www.legislation.govt.nz/regu...html#LMS214867

    Enhanced penetration and discarding sabot ammunition are two separately prohibited ammunition types.
    I see the Sabot restriction excludes shotgun rounds so you are allowed shotguns to be saboted rounds.


    I like the ambiguousness of this one though...
    Chemical or biological carrier ammunition (excluding projectiles for any device designed and intended solely for any medical, surgical, veterinary, scientific, agricultural, industrial, or other similar lawful purpose)

    Banned unless you have a lawful purpose for it. So as long as you have a legal reason to use it, it is legal. (It does not say that you have to use it at all- just have a lawful use for it...)
    Intelligence has its limits, but it appears that Stupidity knows no bounds......

 

 

Similar Threads

  1. calibres to shoot over a indicating dog
    By Stefanhope in forum Hunting Dogs
    Replies: 27
    Last Post: 16-05-2022, 05:58 PM
  2. calibres
    By Micky Duck in forum Reloading and Ballistics
    Replies: 27
    Last Post: 14-09-2020, 10:37 PM
  3. Interesting view on the 308 v new calibres
    By winaa in forum Firearms, Optics and Accessories
    Replies: 44
    Last Post: 15-08-2019, 04:30 PM
  4. Ballistics of various calibres and coefficients
    By FRST in forum Reloading and Ballistics
    Replies: 32
    Last Post: 30-03-2014, 11:24 AM
  5. Some new calibres for custom builds
    By Kiwi Greg in forum Terminator Products
    Replies: 56
    Last Post: 08-01-2013, 10:21 PM

Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Welcome to NZ Hunting and Shooting Forums! We see you're new here, or arn't logged in. Create an account, and Login for full access including our FREE BUY and SELL section Register NOW!!