I can't say I really think about murdering peopleQuote:
Originally Posted by systolic
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I can't say I really think about murdering peopleQuote:
Originally Posted by systolic
Yes, my only point was that it appears the Police have been building a register for some time. My personal opinion is that since it is not a legal requirement the vetting officer (or arms officer) should make it clear that it is voluntary to give serial numbers of A-cat firearms, not imply it is a legal requirement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock river arms hunter
Quote from NZ Herald "The crown allege that it was a bullet fired from a weapon that Winders was registered as owning when he went for his firearms licence in 2008."
Taiaroa shooting: microscope key in revealing rifle's history - National - NZ Herald News
From reading that, the serial number should have given them a little bit of circumstantial evidence at best, at worst its saying that any one of potentially hundreds of other rifles could have been the one.
"Murphy told the court it not only had the same shipment details but after analysing its serial number, they also had the same format and distinguishing features including marks from when it was pressed into the metal."Quote:
Originally Posted by Chilli_Dog
How could they compare format and pressing marks of the serial number when they never recovered the firearm he owned? Did they analyse and record his rifle to that level of detail when it was imported? As you say, all it seems to show is that it could be a rifle from that manufacturer around that time. Not to mention that if his claim that it was stolen was true then whether it was the rifle he had owned or not wouldn't mean it was him that used it.
Sounds flaky as hell based on what has been reported, presumably either the media are leaving things out or the other evidence must have been a lot stronger than that.
I am myself against an a cat gun registry. However ,what does the police do when they recover stolen property and find a rifle that has not been declared stolen or for which no serial number is referenced anywhere?
Maybe a solution would be that each a cat owner have its own private and personal registry, mandatory . Police or AO authorised to look at it and take notes but not being able to seize it unless authorised by a judge during a criminal investigation.
Also list of entries and exit of guns in that same little booklet. Of course that booklet would have to be well hidden so occasional thief does not put his hand on it.
Also when implementing the system or renewing the licence, the person doing the check could simply look ( not write down)at guns serials numbers compared to what is in the owners note book and put his signature at the bottom of the page.
It would be the cheapest form of registry, with the gun owners still having a good trust in the ( police and the policing ) system and the other way around.
And that way when a gun is stolen, it would be easy for the owner to report it with its serial number. I know it does not stop a bad guy from grinding the serial number, but a lot of guns recovered still have their serial number visible.
Yep it's been hijacked.
had mine renewed a few weeks ago
all people who live here have current Fal's aswell my mum had hers renewed last year and my step-dad got his licence last year as well after us getting board of supervision
the same guy done all 3 with mine he goes ive already viewed the safes and didn't even bother looking
ive never been asked to open the safe net alone give out serials all that's ever been done is a quick wiggle to make sure its secured
having said that I would't give a rats arse if they took my serials covers my arse if they get stolen or something I have nothing to hide and do everything byy the book anyway
my mate had a real anal one and she asked him to open the safe then asked him to give her the serials he refused stating it wasn't a legal requirement of which she had no leg to stand on
then asked him how he uses his guns and when he said hunting she quizzed him on where how what why etc
I reckon there's anti gun people getting into roles to try and fuck us over be very careful and know the laws and your rights within them
You keep ignoring questions like this @systolic , are you going to answer?Quote:
Originally Posted by GravelBen
I wouldn't bother wasting your time.
I don't have a problem with them asking for serial numbers. Even if they don't have a specific law saying they can.Quote:
Originally Posted by GravelBen
They never asked for mine when I renewed my gun licence a couple of years ago. Didn't even check the pistols.
He spent more time talking to the girlfriend about natural medicine than looking at guns.
Would you have an issue of them threatening to not approve somebodies security if they dont let them take the serial numbers?Quote:
Originally Posted by systolic
Not really. It doesn't affect me directly and I don't spend too much time worrying about things that don't affect me. It's bad for my ulcer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beavis
If it happens to someone, then they can make a complaint to the PCA if they want. Not my concern.
Your tickets for 80 kmh in a 100 kmh zone are going to be beautiful.Quote:
Originally Posted by systolic
You sound like the type of firearm user that would be happy to throw every member of every other shooting discipline but yours under the bus to save yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by systolic
To spin it the other way, would you care about people refusing to provide serial numbers if it was a legal requirement?Quote:
Originally Posted by systolic
You continue to only answer the part of questions that suit you, are you a politician? So I'll ask again more plainly - as a general principle, do you think its ok for the police to act outside the law in acquiring information about law abiding citizens? If yes, do you think its ok for them to act outside the law in other ways as well?
Where have I thrown any other member of any other shooting discipline under a bus to save myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by stretch
Just because I don't need a Kalashnikov to shoot a deer or a goat doesn't mean I want to stop you using one if you want (I will still snigger though).
No. Again it wouldn't concern me. Worrying about shit like that is bad for my ulcer and blood pressure.Quote:
Originally Posted by GravelBen
But would you care if the Police wanted to stop someone owning/using a 'Kalashnikov' for hunting or any other lawful purpose? (I'm assuming by 'Kalashnikov', you mean an a-cat semi-auto or MSSA from the AK family, and not the restricted full auto type)Quote:
Originally Posted by systolic
If you don't care, then my statement stands, because it appears you are happy to sit by as the police make moves against other firearms users, outside what is permitted by law. Indifference = under-the-bus throwing.
If you DO care, then where do you draw the line on what unlawful actions by police, with regard to firearms users, are OK, and which are not?
:popcorn: damn emogy isn't working! I'm sitting back and watching the fight
Don't bother waiting up. I'm off to bed. Got to get up early tomorrow to go hunting.Quote:
Originally Posted by 223nut
Trolling online is bad for blood pressure and ulcers - doesn't seem you have an issue with trolling though...:DQuote:
Originally Posted by systolic
How do you think we should respond to your posting about shooting body armour?Quote:
Originally Posted by systolic
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Nah but the :beer: one does lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by 223nut
Righto then well this is what happens when you.A) talk about wanting to get off a murder charge, B) appear to have no problem with how police act herby getting on your knees, opening wide and saying ;"please give me more" pertaining to a Police state.
That really worries me ya know.
I think most people reading this site would understand that my comments about serial numbers and getting off murder charges were a topical reference to Winders getting done for murder, in part from the cops having his serial numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock river arms hunter
It worries me that people could read it any other way. Unless they have the reading level of a six year old.
Ahh, politician-class backtracking.
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Originally Posted by systolic
I'm sure the amount of "likes" your post receives will be proportional to the forum's sentiments.
"It worries me that people could read it any other way"
That would be unless you were a total pole-smoker and yet oddly unaware of the fact
So you have run out of constructive arguments and have resorted to personal abuse of a homophobic nature.Quote:
Originally Posted by 308
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Originally Posted by stretch
Still waiting on a reply to mine...Quote:
Originally Posted by systolic
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Originally Posted by systolic
It was you who started with abuse.Quote:
Originally Posted by systolic
'Pole smoker'. That's a new one
You're right it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by 300CALMAN
Sorry. I've been a little bit forgetful over the last couple of days because the other night just before bed I grabbed a couple of 'little blue pills' from the bowl beside the bed and swallowed them with the last of the JD's (too much JD's was probably the reason I needed the pills - Hey, I'm not 18 any more).
Turned out they were Zopiclone! The other little blue pill. Easy to get them mixed up when they're not in a packet.
Very late for work again. Had to tell the boss my girlfriend's son needed a ride to school with his science project and it wouldn't fit in her little Nissan, so I had to take him in the work van, but couldn't ring him 'cos I had no credit on my S7.
I think he brought it.
Sure they weren't lithium?Quote:
Originally Posted by systolic
All justifications are lies
Hey Dan any news on the 50? This seems to have gone off track off road and around the bend some :XD:
Sold one of mine :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sideshow