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Tha only problem is you just did ha haQuote:
Originally Posted by LMcNab
To shoot film in open country, long distance shots will require heavy lens for quality pictures, bigger and heavier than my Canon 70-200mm F2.8 lens. But in bush or say forest, small background, with Sony x80s or Alpha, Gopro mounted on shoulder height, plus one drone, two people work together can make a good story telling movie. Just, the post production work is a time consuming job, and will need a fast computer to process, intel i7, 16g ram etc....But the entire thing is quite interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by MB
The lens quality matters less at long distances because the mirage fcuks the picture up anyway. A decent megazoom non-DSLR will do the trick. You don't need a big aperture lens for that kind of shooting either, and it doesn't need super fast focus with spot on tracking so a 150-600mm Sigma or Tamron will be fine for a DSLR. Especially handy to use a body with 1.6x crop factor, so your effective focal length is 960mm at max. Add a 1.4 converter and you will need a very serious tripod! A drone is useful but DOC require a permit, especially if you monetise your footage - ie put it on YouTube.
What I was referring to is not so much the matter of a new hunter buying a high magnification scope; more so that the idea that shooting a deer at 600m is easy pie because they have seen it on TV or read about how gun hunters do it. Of course a scope with ample magnification and good optics is going to be a huge advantage. However, it takes a lot of experiences to consistently hit your deer, tahr, goat along range. You've got wind to deal with quite often too. Not to say that a new hunter may well be a natural hot shot but I've seen more than a few newbies that can't even hit a deer at 100m or less lying down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultimitsu
Personally, I haven't bothered shooting anything over 300m for years because I'm too old and unfit to go and retrieve a deer across some huge gully or similar.
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Good philosophy. Trouble is I own better quality now but I buy too much of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by flock
As a person who hunts normally with either a fixed 4x or a 3x9 with duplex....... I simply DO NOT shoot past 350 yards...the last deer was shot at 50-60 yards...the one before that was 150ish...last pig was 80ish... I can count on one hand with fingers to spare the amount of times Ive either shot or shot AT deer past 300 yards.... the last 3 times were all sucessful....Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultimitsu
its like hunting with a .222 or .223 you simply HAVE TO BE PREPARED to let animal walk away if shot isnt presenting itself rightly.... 100% spot on chance of good clean kill......
get as close as you can son,then 5 yards closer....shoot them anywhere in the eye son,anywhere in the eye.....
Good gear is nice, and you don't appreciate it inless you start at the bottom.
Poor students, with hugh loans they moan about driving late model Audis etc --- start at the top and you don't respect it.
Love to let them drive a Austin Cambridge to see what I'm talking about.
Using Cars as an example but applies to all things.
Wife says --- I'm just a silly jealous old fart, take that as a complement.
Questions to ask...
1. How expensive must one go for "good enough"?
2. At what cost level does "diminishing returns" set in?
3. Are these the right questions?
Not an Austin Cambridge!!Quote:
Originally Posted by flock
AnswersQuote:
Originally Posted by Cordite
1. Only you can answer that as its actually " good enough for YOUR purposes
2. See above
3. See above
In my job I often see people spend an absolute fortune on the stuff that makes it Look like they have all the good gear but cheap out on the bits that actually matter because they are not all shiny and wizzy looking. They also tend to be unwilling to listen to advice given freely.
Its more about being seen with the "right gear" rather than having the actual right gear.
All that said I have no problem buying the best gear I can afford provided it will last and do the job..............
Right, just I like to film a hunting story type, not actually to capture the shot. Some days later, I can sit back enjoy those moments in the past, thus I am more focusing on quality. Besides, with new equipment we could get in reasonable price, all the software, short movies are very popular in nowadays. One guy made a movie costed him 50,000 dollars, but the return was x,000,000 dollars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bol Tackshin
This is interesting topic. Do `t have much hunting lately because C19, but lots fresh water lure fishing. People always asked me after my posts of fishing trip that what brand of rod you were using...I guess xxx should be, otherwise....xxxx, Or oh is that Simano xxx, double breaks...:P , PM me that hey would you recommend me a rod and reel and my budget is xxx. But my favorite rod and reel only costed me 35 dollars....For hunting, sako85 223 with scope and a K98 will be my choice. How people will think of when they see a man with Mauser k98 and trying to hunt deer with iron sight in DOC land in SI? :P
who cares what they think??? if you are happy and confident you can harvest animal cleanly...go for it.
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Originally Posted by Micky Duck
Exactly MD, while my go-to rifles have been Sako it was because I wanted quality that would last a lifetime, not to impress others, mind you my ex freezing works hunting gear certainly wouldn’t impress others, hunting in the steel capped boots certainly didn’t impress ME!
Hell, looking down my nose at another guys hunting gear has never entered my mind, I know what it’s like to be dollars short and inexperienced.
Horses for courses. I appreciate a rifle / scope combo that is made for the task before it. A medium quality hunting scope is what I go for but if it's a target rifle then I go for the best quality I can afford. I looked through my fair share of coke bottles in my air rifle days.
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Guilty as charged😄
Lol. That's where all the scopes have been hiding!
Awesome collection.
Loving the Voortrekker badges.
Are these the one's that weren't good enough to go on a rifle ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Steven1
I am not a rich man and never have been , but always worked my arse off though never had a high paying job.
I have usually had to give something up in order to 'upgrade' something else .
Sold my triumph bonny and yammy r1 when just got to dangerous on the roads here and used some of that money to purchase my s/hand 338 Hardy and vx6 . Sold 3 other rifles and optics to fund my tikka 308 bushpig carbon stock build and vx5 . Sold a vehicle to put money towards the volquartsen 22 maggie .
These are my 'dream' rifles and that list would probably impress very few here, but frankly I couldn't give a s*#t what others think . Doesn't change the fact that to me they are still the 'best' I can afford and at the end of the day my freezer is still full .
Everything is relative to each persons situation and although some might scoff and look down their noses at my 'dream' rifles I made many sacrifices over many years to own them and regardless of how others perceive them I probably value them much more than the other guy with the mega dollar gear , mega dollar gear just because of the brand name plastered down the side.
The value is in how YOU perceive them - not other people or the price tag - that is what matters .
At the end of the day will those named top shelf brands actually be any more effective at harvesting food for the table than my 'dream' rifles because of the labels or monetary value - I doubt it....
Ok , rant over...
Dont knock the Old-Cambridge ! I bought a minter in the 90's and drove it for years .Only problem ever was when my daughters pet-mouse escaped and somehow died in the heater-fan , what a smell...Quote:
Originally Posted by erniec
Thanx Bol, the badges are hand downs from when my dad was in the cadets back in the day. Quite special to haveQuote:
Originally Posted by Bol Tackshin
True happiness is not a matter of getting the things you want, but enjoying the things you have.
You can have a cheap Howa 1500 or an old Parker Hale Safari for all care - great rifles as long as they're accurate shooters and in a relevant calibre.
But Leica Binos and a Swarovski Spotting Scope i(f a long range shooter) will make you a better hunter - full stop. SOME gear is worth being a 'snob' about.+
I think we can all have a little bit of snob in us from time to time. One thing is clear - there is no one right firearm, no must have firearm setup for our shooting conditions. Variety is the spice of life. I think everybody should have rimfire and centrefire setups like mine - but fortunately they don't. Life would be very dull and boring if everyone did the same as me - or you. Alot of ways to spend our coin and enjoy the sport.
Its 100% valid to buy only top of line, beautifully wooded arms like Schultz and Larsen, Mannlicher etc - and yet have them rarely leave the cabinet. There is a real pleasure in owning a well crafted item - an investment too. Also valid to save the pennies and buy that nicely wooded Sako with Nightforce on it - even if you only shoot it 2-4 times a year. Especially if you only shoot it 2-4 times a year. And there is great sense when you shoot alot in demanding terrain to buy less expensive but accurate, reliable firearms like the Savage, Marlin, Howa etc. Certainly with greater frequency of shooting, the terrain often guides what rifle you need to buy. Examples - if hunting in dense northern bush with valleys full of bush lawyer, supplejack and blackberry you won't want a mint Sako - at all. And if covering high country rocks, matagouri, shooting from trucks at night across thousands of acres, again it won't be flash you choose. It'll be functional. But all of the choices valid in right conditions.
Personally have had expensive arms, but with the frequent shooting we do, my rifles are now all lean, mean hunters. All precisely tweaked for their function - Marlin, Savage, Howa etc. My own bit of snobbery lies not with expensive equipment but in enjoying the reverse. I chuckle when I go to the range at times with maybe tuned JWs, extremely accurate little Marlins, or Howa etc, and some guy opens his case next to me to display some flash heavy barrel expensive piece. We do the shooting, come out, I ask him how it went, he smiles, then looks at the little JW's 0.3 and 0.4 targets, and puts the heavy barrel beauty back in the case with nary a word. Bit naughty really. I may grow up - but its unlikely :)
I suppose the one golden rule is if you want to take that expensive setup to the range, put the nose in the air and show off a bit - you better bloody know how to use it.. :)
But it all comes down to the fact that having expensive gear doesn't make you a snob. You're only a snob when you look down your nose at others with "lesser gear". But snobbery also goes the other way too where people who have run of the mill gear slag off those with flash gear. It all comes down t a person's attitude; not gear cost. And probably applies to every aspect of life...
I'm a qualified butcher and people always looked down their noses at you because they perceived butchers as being thick, pissheads.... So again a type of snobbery... A classic example... When I was at trade school in Petone during my apprenticeship we had a weekly shop day, and the Polytech tutors and their families would come in to buy their meat. The butchery tutors would watch over us as and critique us as part of our training..
Anyhoo.... A tutor's wife came in and said to me "We all know that if you're too thick to be lawyer or accountant, but still want to make a lot of money, you become a butcher" Well that really pissed me off. So I replied "No; you marry a tutor don't you?" :D Well she kicked off and Mr Irons our Brit tutor took me aside and gave me a bollocking.
The bollocking went along the lines of "Now I have to reprimand you for saying that" snigger, snigger. "So consider yourself told off" snigger, snigger. "Telling off over; and yes; you were right" Then slapped me on the back and laughed his arse off. I think that he was pissed off at the "butcher snobbery" too!
I dont have snobbery, more jealousy.
Especially with scopes. Have only bought middle range, 23 new and one really good glass scope albut second hand but basically new. All the rest are very much good value for money budget used.
I will say the bushnell raingaurd 3200 series etc seem to be very good for the price. Worked well on the 8x57 and when I get around to it a 2-7 version to go on the 243 to replace @Micky Duck old fave the M8 4x loopy.
Oh and the version with side paralax adjustment on the 270 but havent had that out in the bush yet
I've had a similar experience. I was at the range one day, just me and another guy zeroing our rifles in. After a few rounds we agree to halt shooting, and meander down to the targets. 100m, 3cm grouping. I was happy, he looked pretty foul though so I asked how he was doing - his was all over the place. We got back to the firing line, and he said in a very admiring way "what's the worth?", to which I responded "ummm $400". He looked a bit stunned, I was shooting my Baikal .243, I think he thought it was a Blaser or something. Then he told me he was shooting a brand new Sako and couldn't get it to group - he said something about the price and taking it back to the shop.Quote:
Originally Posted by mudgripz
Despite making me feel very smug I did fess up and point out to him he was shooting a bipod of concrete and should try putting a jacket under his bipod. Sure enough that seemed to sort him out.
I like those wood, blued firearms since I got no wish to turn hunting trip into sniper mission. I am kind of "tight-fisted" for myself...;) but come to age with life became stabilized, I think I should spend little more. Sako and K98 is on my shopping list, for scope...do `t have much ideas, too many choices, do `t know which one fits me except for Nikon since I like photography:P I knew some people, they bought H&K, but never took them out, those rifles are only for show to other people. For me, sako for example, I will never care about it will get wet, have mud on it, or drop it on hard rock or something like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by mudgripz
Edit above only 3 new not 23
This is a ridiculous thread. I suppose the proposotions could equally be applied to boats, fishing tackle, 4wd vehicles, houses, golf clubs, clothing, women, knives and axes. As far as firearms are concerned many of us started with ancient single shot .22s and single shot hammer guns and surplus long toms or smle's but aspired to improved quality items. I don't recall having any less pride in my early firearms than my higher end ones acquired later in life. The fact that each of them from early days and up till now were a tool I was proud of and all were maintained and serviced as best I could and still are. You'll likely never own the "best" but nothing wrong with aspiring to the best you an afford for your purpose. Can't say I've ever met a firearms snob but plenty who are proud of what they've been able to afford.
I'd have to say I am the aforementioned snob. Just ordered a Hardy in a crazy calibre with an equally crazy scope to sit on top of it all. But I'm also nearing retirement with all the associated aches and pains, and spent most of my life running a jungle carbine .303 with iron sights.
But I'm sure going to enjoy every minute of owning a fine firearm and optic.
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Originally Posted by andyanimal31
A pair of snobs !
Make us all feel inadequate, why don’t you ?
I buy stuff because I like it not to impress anyone else. Ill openly admit that even tho I have owned a few I dont like chinese shit rifles and Im allowed not to like them.....
Greetings All,
I don't know that snobbery is all that rife in NZ with regard to rifles, I have seen little of it. There is plenty of banter and good natured ribbing but this is what friends are for. There is a tendency for younger hunters to believe that all the fancy kit that influencers on the interweb promote is absolutely essential but this is not snobbery. It just makes them a target for the banter and ribbing mentioned earlier. Some hunters approaching their twilight years may purchase or even commission rifles that they have lusted after all their lives but not had the funds to acquire. These may never be hunted with but, hopefully, are still shot. Again not snobbery just remembering their younger life which should be treated with respect.
If, however, you do encounter snobbery then it can be dealt to with ribbing and banter which we do so well in NZ if you can be bothered.
Regards Grandpamac.
Its just a sign of jealousy when I get ribbed about my cheap gear :thumbsup:
I'm guilt of this one. I've refused to be seen by hundred's and unashamedly too, I might add. When the cucumber sandwiches come out, I'm usually seen foremost amongst the gentry with my 25/303 snugly by my side.Quote:
Originally Posted by dvk-kp
This thread simply points to the diversity in society. And the beauty of our sport. You don’t have to be loaded ( excuse the pun) to hunt. I think there’s a difference between wanting to be seen with expensive gear rather than buying it for good reasons. You don’t have to spend a fortune to buy classy gear. I have purchased Swaro binos second hand in the past for example. Or a Carl Gustaf 3000 for less than the price of many cheaper new hunting rifles. Gaining quality at utilitarian prices.
I get a kick from going hunting with cheaper gear and getting it done, mainly cos my budget won't stretch to anything flash.
