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I'm after a special 22LR. Already had a Anschutz model 64 carbine. Very nice indeed.
Cut my teeth on a target 22 ruger so looking to light that fire in my 3 kids. ( And give myself a treat)
I like the look of the carbon barrel/ supressor and decent trigger.
What do you think ?
The short answer is that Volquartsen is not worth it.
There are roughly 4 main parts to a 10/22, in order of importance: trigger, barrel, action, stock.
The best trigger is KIDD 2-stage, miles ahead of everyone else, completely different mechanics to Ruger design. At the second place is the KIDD single stage, I believe it is again different design to Ruger. The distant third place is shared by the likes of Volquatsen, Timney, etc. The fourth place is shared by the likes of ruger BX25 and stock trigger with various third party swap parts. I hear KIDD drop-in kit is very good.
In terms of barrel (light weight type), I have never used a volquatsen carbon wrapped barrel, but I have fiddled with one at a gun shop. I have used magnum research carbon wrapped barrel and whitlepig aluminium wrapped barrel, I would say both are lighter than the volquatsen. Magnum research is the lightest, and whistlepig is more accurate than magnum research. From what I have seen, the KIDD ultra light aluminium wrapped barrel is about the same weight and accuracy as whistlepig. you have an added bonus if you go KIDD as in you can get the drop-in type (again, a completely different design to Ruger). So to me, Volquatsen offers is heavier and offers no accuracy or price advantage over competition.
In terms of action, all big names are overkill and unnecessary. I have three 10/22s. Two are full KIDD and one is 10/22 with whistlepig barrel and old factory stamped action. I honestly cannot say the factory stamped action is any less accurate than the KIDDs. in fact, it appears to be more tolerant to dirty than the KIDDs. I see no point in getting a volquatsen action at all.
in terms of stock, volquartsen makes some. but all the laminated ones appear to be way overpriced compared to boyd. VQ makes a fully adjustable aluminium stock, a cool $650 USD. I would not buy it personally. I use boyd stocks and hogue stock.
For what you want, I would recommend three options:
1. buy a full KIDD with ultra light barrel + 2-stage trigger + 20MOA rail, they are around $2000~2500, a bit more if you want the new drop-in barrel design.
2. buy a magnum research with laminated stock. I am not sure if this item is still on the market. They were about 1500. Very very light.
3. buy a HTA p90 bullpup stock, a KIDD 2stage trigger, a 22 inch whistlepig barrel (to take the rifle over legal length), and a cheap secondhand 10/22 and use its action.
Personally I would love to play with the HTA option.
Cheers. How about the gun city receiver? + a decent barrel and BX trigger.
I line the loom of the mag pull stocks. They have spacers for pulling length.
Guncity receiver in my view is way overpriced (unknown maker, unknown material, zero MOA, no reputation whatsoever). I would say it is better to either buy KIDD with 20 MOA (which is only 75 bucks more) or buy a tidy 350 dollar second hand 10/22 and use its receiver and hammer, and keep the rest as spares.
Personally I would not buy a bx trigger. I think for the same money, you are better off with a stock trigger (as part of a rifle) plus KIDD drop in kit (105 USD). However over all I would say, either get KIDD 2-stage, or stick with Anschutz.
I recommend you give USA Guns Ltd (Darin) a call, ask him how much would various KIDD options cost.
I have seen many people wasting a lot of money in 2nd or 3rd tier 10/22 upgrades. I strongly recommend you not to follow their steps. Either stay away from the 10/22 hole, or get the really good stuff. If you come up to AKL, pm me, maybe i can arrange you a shoot so you can have a feel.
Ultimitsu knows his stuff, KIDD all the way. I have one of their barrels a 16 inch light weight and it's more accurate than any other semi auto .22 I have ever fired. KIDD single stage is just about to be fitted.
Mine started out as a Gun City cast off standard action, added a BX trigger and the Kidd barrel into a Magpull stock. The BX is about as good as a trigger job, better than standard but you will want a KIDD.
BTW the Magpull stock is great.
Talk to Darin he's great to deal with.
You can wrap a turd in tinsel, you can even make the whole turd out of tinsel. It's still a turd
Like trying to make low BC .270 projectiles work better in a different cartridge :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst
Haha never actually owned a Ruger 10/22 just a few parts. The basic design is good just the manufacturing leaves a lot to be desired.
@<u><a href="https://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co.nz/member.php?u=4849" target="_blank">Jit</a></u> I have played with the odd 10/22 and modified them to suit my needs. One was a dedicated subs gun, one a tricked out factory gun and another a semi custom with drop in trigger, springs, whistle pig barrel, bedding and Boyd’s stock.
Depending on your intended use I would look at purchasing a standard 10/22 and having a gunsmith do a trigger job ($65), Boyd’s stock of your choice, vq exact extractor, and the barrel of your choice. I would purchase a whistle pig again or a GC carbon fibre integrally suppressed barrel, they received good reviews: https://youtu.be/45qzJsN1JLw
The best bit of advice I can give you is to determine what your accuracy goal is at what distance with what Ammo. Then how big is the budget?
Modifying rugers is addictive and you will find yourself researching threaded receivers etc if you don’t have a clear endstate.
Good luck with the build, make sure you put up plenty of photos for us to keep track of the project.
@<u><a href="https://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co.nz/member.php?u=4849" target="_blank">Jit</a></u> I have played with the odd 10/22 and modified them to suit my needs. One was a dedicated subs gun, one a tricked out factory gun and another a semi custom with drop in trigger, springs, whistle pig barrel, bedding and Boyd’s stock.
Depending on your intended use I would look at purchasing a standard 10/22 and having a gunsmith do a trigger job ($65), Boyd’s stock of your choice, vq exact extractor, and the barrel of your choice. I would purchase a whistle pig again or a GC carbon fibre integrally suppressed barrel, they received good reviews: https://youtu.be/45qzJsN1JLw
The best bit of advice I can give you is to determine what your accuracy goal is at what distance with what Ammo. Then how big is the budget?
Modifying rugers is addictive and you will find yourself researching threaded receivers etc if you don’t have a clear endstate.
Good luck with the build, make sure you put up plenty of photos for us to keep track of the project.
Yup like the look of the mag pull too. Perfect for kidz too. Now I've started looking into this rabbit hole things get expensive quickly!
I reckon I need magpull stock, drop in trigger, carbon barrel. Do I need a special receiver/action bolt etc?
:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Jit
Why don't you get an AR with a 22 upper and mag kit?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jit
Way more cool shit you can buy for it.
Having owner a Volquartsen in a B&C stock If going the semi way again I'd do the same pretty much as Ultimitsu said.
The key was the trigger my Volquartsen happily shot a 10c piece hole @25m indoors but with a 2 stage Kidd in it shot a ragged 5c single hole going through the same hole was normal when bagged (taking me out of the equation) the Volquartsen triggers are heavy and with no tuning ability that you would have in other triggers. (other than over travel screws etc - thats it)
Don't bother with carbon wrapped unless you're into being a fashionista.. if you're worried about weight buy the ultralight Kidd one. Like buying a Anshutz its the hand lapped barrels that make a difference here. The rest is to your taste plenty of guys out there using Ruger actions - just make sure the barrel and rail align... Then spend some money on kidd springs and buffer and good ammo would be my suggestion.
Sold mine and went back to my trusty CZ 2E as I'm a lefty and they don't do a 54 action Anshutz repeater anymore... Even toyed with the idea of a Fortner action or the 22lr as they do these as lefties but happy to stick with the CZ as its a shooter and I can make the trigger to my own weight setting and have moved onto bigger cals for my fun and build gene to play with.
Enjoy the 22lr journey and please talk to Darrin - He knows this platform inside out... but you know still shoots a Anshutz 54 in the big matches... Just sayin...
I used to shoot in the same club as Darin. Almost every regular has bought a KIDD from him. but they all shoot Ans54 in matches. The appeal of a good semi is the versatility and play factor. But if you shoot comps you should stick to single shot bolt for best consistency. All semi has a small risk of deforming the bullet slightly when feeding which doesnt happen with single shot bolt.
I wouldn't call .704 a low BC....Quote:
Originally Posted by 300CALMAN
Hell yeah.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve123
I shoot this thing at 100m in service rifle shoots.
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Yup like the look of the mag pull too. Perfect for kidz too. Now I've started looking into this rabbit hole things get expensive quickly!
I reckon I need magpull stock, drop in trigger, carbon barrel. Do I need a special receiver/action bolt etc?
Now you've got me thinking!Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve123
That's a VERY interesting idea.
Tell me more.
Comp shooting days are over. Running of time with long range and 3 kids.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultimitsu
After some accurate fun shooting I and the kidz can do on the range or in private land.
Ideally MOA ish at 100.
That's right there are a few better projectiles if you have the mag length and a fast twist barrel. Interesting to see if you can get Berger's to shoot in common .270 rifles or if you need a custom built .Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst
Anyway enough thread hijacking.
MOA should be easy. Shot a group with all touching off the rest at 50m. Mine still has the BX trigger and barrel hasn't been floated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jit
Yeah it's hard to beat a comp bolt gun but unless you compete not necessary.
A15 22 uppers are cool, just need to ask KIDD to make barrels for them.
MOA should be easy. Shot a group with all touching off the rest at 50m. Mine still has the BX trigger and barrel hasn't been floated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jit
Yeah it's hard to beat a comp bolt gun but unless you compete not necessary.
A15 22 uppers are cool, just need to ask KIDD to make barrels for them.
I would take this bad boy over AR15 any day of the week. :pacman:
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Are they any good?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultimitsu
Tough question. :P But I believe so.
This stock (HTA P90) uses standard trigger and barrel, so if you got the good stuff you can keep use them. With the AR path you are stuck with the AR version of trigger and barrel.
The only downside with this stock is that the scope rile is not directly screwed on the receiver, so that may slightly affect accuracy. I havent really tried so I dont know for sure.
Most unfortunately, I think all we got is black version in NZ, only 2 retailers, GC and someone in Welly who is cheaper than GC (but still expensive at $615).
I have found my kidd 10/22 to outperform every other semi .22, and a fair few bold guns that I have tried. The two stage trigger is just next level compared to the likes of Timmny.
My experience with a red jacket bull pup stock had put me off the idea for anything other than a range toy-you can get as funky as you like with the trigger linkage(I even went hydro) and it downgraded things. Given our overall length laws you don’t gain anything there either. Scopes end up way above the bore, something I don’t like for field shooting-this is why my .22 ar is just a range toy these days.
