Thread: Sad Commentary on Life and Balance.

Originally Posted by Marty Henry

I believe if you are pulled over for any reason and a regi check shows the registered owner has a fal that is flagged as "firearms" for the officers conducting the stop.

I would say that the Search and Surveillance Act 2012 and the Arms Act 1983 apply (re vehicles being stopped and searched). The main aspect seems to be that the person with the firearm must prove they have lawful purpose. This applies to non restricted firearms.

Originally Posted by Mrfants

I would say that the Search and Surveillance Act 2012 and the Arms Act 1983 apply (re vehicles being stopped and searched). The main aspect seems to be that the person with the firearm must prove they have lawful purpose. This applies to non restricted firearms.

As a law abiding licensed firearms owner, there is no need to prove you have lawful purpose. You have been deemed fit and proper during the license process. End of.

Surely no one thinks that we don't have an illicit gun problem? And a gun crime problem? Don't get distracted by the numbers. They are just numbers. 17K? 10K? 5K? Whatever. There are too many guns in the wrong peoples hands. Yes?

What to do about it is the problem. Targeting us is targeting the wrong people. We might have the odd miscreant amongst us (curse them) but overall it seems licensed owners are pretty good, and clean.

The focus needs to turn on the underworld, not us. We are easy picking, but pretty blameless.

Originally Posted by Tahr

Surely no one thinks that we don't have an illicit gun problem? And a gun crime problem? Don't get distracted by the numbers. They are just numbers. 17K? 10K? 5K? Whatever. There are too many guns in the wrong peoples hands. Yes?

What to do about it is the problem. Targeting us is targeting the wrong people. We might have the odd miscreant amongst us (curse them) but overall it seems licensed owners are pretty good, and clean.

The focus needs to turn on the underworld, not us. We are easy picking, but pretty blameless.

I think you mean we have a CRIME problem generally but sadly that appears to be far too too hard to deal with or solve so "red hearings" are cast out everywhere

Its become more about "being seen to be doing something" rather than doing something and the media seem to lap it up

Originally Posted by Tahr

Surely no one thinks that we don't have an illicit gun problem? And a gun crime problem? Don't get distracted by the numbers. They are just numbers. 17K? 10K? 5K? Whatever. There are too many guns in the wrong peoples hands. Yes?

What to do about it is the problem. Targeting us is targeting the wrong people. We might have the odd miscreant amongst us (curse them) but overall it seems licensed owners are pretty good, and clean.

The focus needs to turn on the underworld, not us. We are easy picking, but pretty blameless.

There are no consequences for using illegal firearms, due to our concurrent sentencing laws.

Have an AK in a crack lab? The crack lab bit carries the higher sentence, so having an AK or not doesn't reeaally affect how much time you get. But crack labs are a dangerous business, so of course Joe Crook will opt to have one if possible, the gun is free come prison sentence time.

Home D for everything is what needs to change, sentence reductions on sentence reductions also. NZ needs to harden the fuck up and give crooks something to worry about, locked up away from the rest of us, it's turned into a fucking zoo

And we comply they dont

When we broke the caravan last week, I asked the tow truck guy if we could follow him to his yard as I didn't want to retrieve my rifles from the caravan on the side of the State highway, he understood completely and we had a chat about someone seeing me on the side of the road and subsequently calling the cops.

It's not really surprising, when the new laws were introduced a lot of firearms become illegal - including your grandads bunny gun that labour swore would be ok. When you look at the import numbers over the years vs the surrender numbers it never balanced.

What did people think would happen? Oh we made a bunch of guns illegal, and now we're finding lots of illegal guns. F***ing muppets.

Plus it looks like your doing a great job and are being successful if you make laws up aimed at the people that will comply with them. What's the point of making more laws for those that wont comply anyway....the stats wont look as good

It's been said before - shipping containers and shipping containers. Drugs and firearms and what else you wish to throw in. Bugger all are being searched at point of entry. Anyone can place an order to have a shipping container brought into the country and delivered to your preferred address by truck. Ships carry thousands of containers on each delivery to port. Customs cannot and do not search/x-ray every container - its impossible. Mr Cargill knows this but won't discuss how big this issue really is. His focus is elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Hunteast

It's been said before - shipping containers and shipping containers. Drugs and firearms and what else you wish to throw in. Bugger all are being searched at point of entry. Anyone can place an order to have a shipping container brought into the country and delivered to your preferred address by truck. Ships carry thousands of containers on each delivery to port. Customs cannot and do not search/x-ray every container - its impossible. Mr Cargill knows this but won't discuss how big this issue really is. His focus is elsewhere.

If you have a look at the reports out of the Tauranga port customs area, I think they lose 2 or 3 containers a year from what's in the media that just get 'removed' without the official process being followed. I recall 2 of these cases coming up in the media recently, the missing containers were not located. It's a dodgy 'volume' business but the notion that the borders are more porous than the official line would like us to believe is plausible.

Originally Posted by No.3

If you have a look at the reports out of the Tauranga port customs area, I think they lose 2 or 3 containers a year from what's in the media that just get 'removed' without the official process being followed. I recall 2 of these cases coming up in the media recently, the missing containers were not located. It's a dodgy 'volume' business but the notion that the borders are more porous than the official line would like us to believe is plausible.

I'm shocked and surprised by this.....

If you look at the numbers on the article, 3602 were airguns, imitation or starter pistols and not firearms by Act definition.

Of course they had to include a bit about the registry. Gotta put that there to convince people that it will do something useful. A registry is most definitely useful if the firearm is stolen, illegally manufactured or imported. Even if a firearm is sold illegally no one will know about it for up to a decade if the serial number is removed.
I wonder how many firearms could be seized if they allocated the funding towards cracking down on illegal firearms?

Most times when they qp me they ask if I have any firearms in the car. Had one cop proceed to try and open a rear door to search the car after I told him none were in the car. Said to him Im pretty sure you need a search warrant to do that. Tone changed and I was able to carry on