Scope... Issue

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20-02-2015, 07:56 PM
Dr. Watson

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Scope... Issue

Hey fellows

When I wind the elevation turret to the top a black ring encroaches on the bottom of the view...

When I wind the elevation turret all the way down it does but from the top...

The scope is FFP

Thoughts? :)Attachment 34354

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20-02-2015, 08:03 PM
gimp

erector mechanism moving? what is the scope.
20-02-2015, 08:07 PM
Dr. Watson

Just a Nightforce...
20-02-2015, 08:13 PM
veitnamcam

It would appear that either

The recticle is moving more than intended/designed.

The recticle is no longer in the correct part of the path of light from front to back and as they are cone shaped from the lenses they get smaller/bigger.

I apologise for my compleat lack of technical terms and spelling/grammer
20-02-2015, 08:15 PM
Dr. Watson

Haha yeah... Na I think you are right

Over $7000 ... I would expect...well... Not this!
20-02-2015, 08:16 PM
Kiwi Greg

A, don't use it at the extreme top or bottom of its range.

B, get a SFP scope :)
20-02-2015, 08:17 PM
veitnamcam

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Watson

Haha yeah... Na I think you are right

Over $7000 ... I would expect...well... Not this!

Shoulda got a vx3 :thumbsup::ORLY::D
20-02-2015, 08:20 PM
BRADS

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Watson

Haha yeah... Na I think you are right

Over $7000 ... I would expect...well... Not this!

fark what model is it "beast" ?

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20-02-2015, 08:22 PM
gimp

try different parallax/diopter settings? try a S&B?
20-02-2015, 08:29 PM
Dr. Watson

Yup firstly Its not mine and I certainly wouldn't pay that kinda money for one.

Greg I'm with you on the SFP mate :)

But "don't use it on the end of its range" I mean really hahaha

It's a top end Nightforce lol ... "Yeah it's good as long as you don't dial up or down too much... Then you can't see thru it properly"
20-02-2015, 08:33 PM
BRADS

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Watson

. "Yeah it a typical Nightforce you can't see thru it properly"

Fixed :)

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20-02-2015, 08:34 PM
Daggers_187

Quote:

get a SFP scope

I was under the impression that FFP was the way to go? Is there a different school of thought? (Genuinely interested in what people have to say about this)
20-02-2015, 08:37 PM
Dr. Watson

I guess what I'm interested in knowing is ... Is this faulty or as Greg suggested just don't dial that far?
20-02-2015, 08:37 PM
Tommy

Jesus, $7000 wasn't a typo/joke?!
20-02-2015, 08:38 PM
gimp

FFP is the way to go. Reticle valid on any magnification, sensible reticle design is adequately thick/thin on any magnification, i.e. S&B P4F. No reason to choose SFP over FFP except cost at which point lol considering the money we waste on this retarded shit, custom rifles etc
20-02-2015, 08:59 PM
veitnamcam

Quote:

Originally Posted by gimp

FFP is the way to go. Reticle valid on any magnification, sensible reticle design is adequately thick/thin on any magnification, i.e. S&B P4F. No reason to choose SFP over FFP except cost at which point lol considering the money we waste on this retarded shit, custom rifles etc

How much did you waste on that factory Blaser then customised it by amputating the barrel and adding a muffeler?
20-02-2015, 09:04 PM
BRADS

Quote:

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

How much did you waste on that factory Blaser then customised it by amputating the barrel and adding a muffeler?

Still less than a custom gun mate:)

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20-02-2015, 09:06 PM
gimp

Quote:

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

How much did you waste on that factory Blaser then customised it by amputating the barrel and adding a muffeler?

I was going to get in a pre-emotive "and Blasers" edit but my infernet is too slow to pre-empt anything at all today
20-02-2015, 09:08 PM
veitnamcam

:D
20-02-2015, 09:10 PM
veitnamcam

Quote:

Originally Posted by BRADS

Still less than a custom gun mate:)

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Technically mine is "Custom" cost less than a barrel for a Blaser tho I bet.

Right back to the scope!

Is it fucked or is this just how they are?
20-02-2015, 09:10 PM
Kiwi Greg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Watson

Yup firstly Its not mine and I certainly wouldn't pay that kinda money for one.

Greg I'm with you on the SFP mate :)

But "don't use it on the end of its range" I mean really hahaha

It's a top end Nightforce lol ... "Yeah it's good as long as you don't dial up or down too much... Then you can't see thru it properly"

Most guys will never use it at the top or bottom, it has 120+ moa elevation.

That's enough to shoot a fair old way :)
20-02-2015, 09:13 PM
BRADS

Quote:

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

Technically mine is "Custom" cost less than a barrel for a Blaser tho I bet.

Right back to the scope!

Is it fucked or is this just how they are?

Sorry bro I don't count a rusty old sako that's had a reamer up it's arse custom:)
Heading for cover:)

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20-02-2015, 09:17 PM
veitnamcam

Someone spending that kind of money on a scope would surely be doing it because they want and intend to use all of that el adjustment?
20-02-2015, 09:18 PM
Nibblet

Is there any issue getting it replaced/repaired/evaluated by Nightforce under warranty? At that price you would think the warranty would be pretty extensive.

I'll help you out if you need and sell your mate my S&B for $7000..... :thumbsup:
20-02-2015, 09:22 PM
gimp

I'd at least ask NF if it's normal before chucking it in the bin
20-02-2015, 09:24 PM
jakewire

Are you evaluating for an article, if so I'd get them to send you another, but keep that one so a comparison can be made.
If N/F advertise 120moa then there should be 120 usable moa.
20-02-2015, 10:03 PM
Dr. Watson

Na I'm not reviewing this.

I'm getting 80 MOA before I clearly see the black ring creeping into view.
21-02-2015, 12:59 PM
Maca49

Do you think they photo shop the pics when making the brochures/advertising material, I feeling a conspiracy coming on!
21-02-2015, 04:23 PM
gimp

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mauser308

Hmmm. Wonder if we've just hit the current technology limits for optics?

I tried FFP, sodding joke. FFP (IMHO) is a purely long range optic solution, no good up close even with 'sensible' reticle design whatever that is (unless you are shooting to incapacitate a man-size target or immobilise a chunk of machinery). If you are using it for hunting type situations, and an up-close shot pops up that requires accuracy (such as parking a round amongst some foliage or other obstruction) it's very much a spray/pray proposition which defeats the point of spending all that cash on a precision solution.

The scope I tried wasn't cheap, had one of those fancy 'sensible' reticles - but that damn thing would cover about 75mm of the target up close on the smallest magnification (5x from memory) - on the highest mag forget it. I'm not bagging a scope brand so I won't name it as it was in every other respect perfect. I would have been happy to have it in SFP except I couldn't get one... If you are sending it or using it for non-lethal applications, great...

I'm sorry, are you complaining about a FFP reticle covering TOO MUCH of the target at close range on low power?
21-02-2015, 04:40 PM
gadgetman

It shrinks the view, but is it still accurate and usable?
22-02-2015, 02:10 AM
jakewire

For sure you do have to pick your reticle for a FFP scope if your going to use it for general or close in hunting. The P4F on my S&B is more than adequate for 100 to 1000m shooting.
Going by the spec the N/F MIL-R F1 reticles should be fairly useful as well but I haven't looked through one.
22-02-2015, 09:02 AM
Moutere

+1 P4 Fein FFP
As for the Nightforce, get an answer from them.
People pay a premium price for their products to be precise, robust and functional, if it is faulty they will sort it out.
22-02-2015, 09:08 AM
gimp

Adding maths to your process is asking for failure

you still haven't clarified whether you felt that the FFP reticle was too thick on low power, because that's certainly what your comment reads like
22-02-2015, 08:26 PM
gimp

Right, so that's more a problem of selecting an inappropriate scope for the usage than anything relating to FFP?

I'm very happy with my FFP 3-12x S&B for any and all shooting. It's thick enough for fast close shots, has illumination for shooting on dark where the fine reticle does actually become a bit hard to pick up, and fine enough to shoot any target I could reasonably hope to hit at long range, i.e., can easily see enough of a magpie to shoot at it at 800 meters.
23-02-2015, 01:38 PM
Looseunit

Hi Doc

I think you will find the issue is a result of the scope having the huge range of adjustment , the internal tube is canting into the large field of view , but i think this only can be seen on the lowest mag setting ( is this right? ) when you have a narrower field of view using the higher setting for shooting LR (as you would when dailing 120+ MOA its not an issue as it does not appear. This isnt apparent on other scopes where they lack the internal adjustment matching the NF

Jason
23-02-2015, 10:36 PM
sneeze

Hmmm.. just tried the 52mm March with 120moa, only a 30mm tube, pretty good field of view on 2.5x and sight picture is clear all the way to the end. It is SFP though.
24-02-2015, 09:39 AM
Dr. Watson

Hey Jason yeah I think you are right.

But I'm only getting at the very most 100moa before it goes noticeably out of line?

an true it's worse on low mag but still very apparent at max magnification.

Because I am not the original owner of this scope I won't speculate anymore on why this is occurring.
I will bring it up your way next time I'm up and we can see what's what.

Ps
Does the new one you have go out of line/ same problem also ?

Ben
24-02-2015, 10:20 AM
Looseunit

Hi Ben

yeah about 100 MOA before i can see it on 5 power , everything above 9 power its not there , Its the same on all the units i have checked , dont use 5x for LR shooting and you wont see it :-) , definately a FFP thing , no sight picture change in the SFP ATAC-R's

Jason