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    Service Rifle AR

    Show me what you are using ...

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    Schmeisser A4, heavy barrel 1 in 9" twist
    Only a mid length 16", so down on speed a bit compared to the 20" barrels.
    Has A2 flash hider now
    Need to add on A2 pistol grip
    New scope will be either Vortex Spitfire x3 or Trijicon 3x30 (currently has a variable 3-9x40)

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    F**king forbidden 403 shit.
    "Heavy contour barrel"
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    Ah cool, exactly the info Im looking for....though I'll be cat A.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steven View Post
    Ah cool, exactly the info Im looking for....though I'll be cat A.
    David from Reloaders Auckland, quoted me a sharp price for a Windham Armoury in 18 or 20" bull-barrel with A2 butt-stock and grip except the handguard as they do not come A2 standard anymore. I almost handed my credit card over but couldn't justify another AR that soon...

    Im more in the hunt for an AK rather than another AR.

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    AK's great, it's what I use for SR - just wish that the charging handle was angled up like a R4's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by furstimer View Post
    David from Reloaders Auckland, quoted me a sharp price for a Windham Armoury in 18 or 20" bull-barrel with A2 butt-stock and grip except the handguard as they do not come A2 standard anymore. I almost handed my credit card over but couldn't justify another AR that soon...

    Im more in the hunt for an AK rather than another AR.
    How sharp?

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    Reloaders have Windam for about $2.2k on the website not a bad price, so how much sharper?
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    Just be aware a bull barrel will put you into open class, which might be what you want, ie variable power scopes, free float barrel, match triggers etc.
    I found it cheaper to go 'standard' with my original set up, as the A2 pistol grip, flash hider, hand guard and new scope was all I had to add.
    16" barrel is fine at 100-300m, but 20" barrels will come to the fore for 500-600m.
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    Didn't think middy's would be allowed in standard class?

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    Middy is open I think using the advantage ruling.

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    Res, what advantage is there?

    No mention in the Match Code about AR barrel length or gas system.

    Vs a rifle length 20" barrel, the mid length 16" is at a disadvantage for 300m plus. No difference closer, as weight will depend on permitted barrel profile.
    Vs a rifle length 20" barrel, a carbine 14" or 16" is at a disadvantage for 300m plus. No difference closer, as weight will depend on permitted barrel profile.


    So no advantage to be gained
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    ELIGIBILITY
    All firearms that meet Equipment standard, section E1 will be eligible to
    compete in the New Zealand Service Rifle Championship. In the event of
    dispute concerning a rifle or part the “advantage” rule is applied, i.e. is any
    advantage gained by use of the rifle or part over the accepted standard form
    of that firearm?

    AR15:
    NB: “standard” refers to features and or parts identical (fire control components to be NZ
    legal for an MSSA) to those that make up such rifles as the military issue Bushmaster
    shown. Any acceptable variation from the “standard” is detailed below. Under no
    circumstances will National Match or accuracy enhanced models be considered as
    standard regardless of their use in other countries by military or civilian agencies
    Upper Receiver: A1, A2 or Flat Top A3/A4. No Match style, high rise, or similar receivers
    allowed. Milspec standard A1/A2 style charging handles only.
    Lower Receiver: A1/A2 style with standard Milspec controls. No extended magazine, bolt
    or safety levers. A left handed safety may be fitted if it is the same type as the safety on
    the right hand side of the rifle. Magazine wells may not be modified.
    Barrel: No stainless or match/target use intended barrels allowed. Chamber is to be 5.56
    NATO, SAAMI STD .223 Remington or a chamber that will feed all Milspec ammo. Barrel
    diameter is based on A1, A2 or commercial A2 HBAR styles. The Front sight block must be
    of the A1/A2 design and be pinned to the barrel. Twist rates from 1/7 to 1/12 are
    acceptable.
    Stocks: A1, A2 and CAR/M4 butt stocks are acceptable. Hand guards may be A1, A2 or
    Knights Armament RAS style fore ends. Free floating of the barrel is not permitted. Pistol
    grip is to be A1 or A2. Hogue and other accessory pistol grips are not allowed.
    Trigger: Milspec standard A1/A2 style with a single stage release; no match single or 2
    stage triggers may be fitted. Note: pull weight for a standard AR15 trigger is 5.5-8 pounds.
    No aftermarket spring kits or lightened components allowed
    Magazine: Any capacity up to 30 rounds. Magazine must not be modified to allow hand
    loaded ammunition to be seated further out. New style anti tilt followers and Mag-Pull
    bases are acceptable.
    Open Sights: A1/A2 sights, flat top receivers may use a carrying handle sight or a clip on
    Milspec type of sight. Front post must be a minimum of 0.050 inch and rear peephole sizes
    are to be no smaller than A2 Milspec standard. Sights that co-witness with an Aimpoint
    style scope are acceptable. Fibre optic or “Hi Viz” type front posts are not acceptable.
    Scope Mount: Any commercial or military mount that attaches to the receiver is
    acceptable. Mounts that attach to the carrying handle and place the optic in front of the
    receiver and just above the hand guards are acceptable.
    Welcome to Sako club.

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    I'm very happy to be wrong on this as I'm keen as for sr to be as inclusive as posable.
    My understanding is that the who point of a mid length gas system is that it's softer shooting than a carbine length system,and that is an advantage-but I take your point that it's still at a disadvantage to a rifle length system.
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    Ok so what I am hearing is that you really want a 18-20" barrel?

 

 

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