@mimms2 just thinking of the last few reds I shot with it neck shot a yearling and its head was only holding on by a bit of skin and shot a hind quartering away behind the shoulder on the right and it blew a bunch of ribs apart and just about blew up the left shoulder. I would've thought they would just go straight through birds without much reaction from the projectile just due to the light frame but have only shot deer with them so no experience