Thread: So I was perusing/window shopping for a "lightweight" .243 when.... (Grail gun?)

Originally Posted by Stocky

And on the topic of grail rifles. I want a rifle that doesn't exist. I want a nice compact mini action that feeds reliably had a flush detachable magazine that allows loading of heavy 80 grain projectiles in the 223 and is light weight and actually scaled for 223. Short barrel, telescoping stock (that engages saftey for legal reasons) would be nice too.

Maybe savage were not so silly all those years ago with Thier rotary magazine fed 22hp....it was in many ways far ahead of its time and cartridge wise,we only now catching up. 22 calibre 70-80 GRN projectiles in mid to high 2000s.

Originally Posted by Zedrex

That merited an "open image in new tab" so I could zoom in and have a proper gander and then a google where I learned about low wall and high wall and falling block actions...awesome
WHat is it about this rifle and...most importantly do you have one nestled away in your collection?

Came across this model in a Vortex’s Nation podcast on single shots and it was the least of what was on the table. Have toyed with the idea of single shots, on and off, for quite some time but never really pulled the trigger on one. Just didn’t like the feel of any of them. 1 got all goosebumpy over Ron Spomer’s 7x57 but yea, the cost!!


The Browning seems to have it all. It’s a lovely nostalgia piece but with simple modern functionality. Slim, classy, and lightweight. Just beautiful lines and I’m not even a fan of octagonal barrels. It’s still relatively accessible despite the limited manufacturing run at the time, they do come up for sale in the US from time to time. And I find it unusual that they chambered some in 260Rem.

In some ways, it would be one piece of kit I would own just to admire and not feel guilty about doing so.

@akaroa1 had nice 7mm mag forsale a little while back. Classy single shot it was.....might be just the ticket.

Originally Posted by southernman

I’ve had a fair few firearms over the years, Sako Vixen and A1, I really like, M70 winchesters, M94 etc, for a very long time I was keen on a High end single shot, had a few Ruger #1, 1895 winchesters and browning 1895, cooper single shots, finally for my 50 th birthday, I bought a used K95 Blaser lux, 7x65.
As far as firearms go, this was a big change, I absolutely love this little rifle, this most amount of money I have put into anything, Cars, trucks, boats, optics’s, with out any regrets.
sold off over a dozen Sako, Remington and CZ rifles, and bought a few more barrels and mounts, 22 Hornet, 5.6 x50 and .243,
I think it’s the combo of weight, portability, accuracy and simplicity, that I enjoy.

THAT is a beautiful looking rifle and I can see that with interchangeable barrels it can be a great "single" solution, nice and well worth the spend I reckon

Originally Posted by whanahuia

@Zedrex

This might be what you are looking for. Ive got my eye on one as a birthday present for my old BRNO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ml-52ElgoHw

Oh that looks like a very possible, integral LOP adjust and Comb riser is a big plus, exchange rate could improve things but that's not a bad price, all I need now is an action and barrel, Tikka TX3? Sako 90? (and trigger, I've heard a lot of people rating 2 stage triggers but have yet to experience one, what's the benefit?).....but this could be the basis for a mint .243

No real benefit too a 2 stage trigger. Just a different system and you either like them or not. If you are going to do a build, just get a timney trigger if the one that comes with the action isn't what you want.

Originally Posted by Sidetrack

Came across this model in a Vortex’s Nation podcast on single shots and it was the least of what was on the table. Have toyed with the idea of single shots, on and off, for quite some time but never really pulled the trigger on one. Just didn’t like the feel of any of them. 1 got all goosebumpy over Ron Spomer’s 7x57 but yea, the cost!!


The Browning seems to have it all. It’s a lovely nostalgia piece but with simple modern functionality. Slim, classy, and lightweight. Just beautiful lines and I’m not even a fan of octagonal barrels. It’s still relatively accessible despite the limited manufacturing run at the time, they do come up for sale in the US from time to time. And I find it unusual that they chambered some in 260Rem.

In some ways, it would be one piece of kit I would own just to admire and not feel guilty about doing so.

I like the idea of implied "confidence" behind a single shot.....but I like the idea of having a follow up shot ready just in case......

For me,the single shot makes me,get closer and steadier before shooting.i learnt to "hunt" at very young age with single barrel hammer .410 shotgun on rabbits.hunt,not shoot as 25 yards was a long shot for the wee gun. Ten yards was more like my average distance. I still own more single shot break opens than anything else....and still love the simplicity of them.

Hearing ya, that's one of the reasons I like my .243, you've got to get "close" (relatively) in order to make a nice clean kill shot, unlike my mates Mauser 7-57 which in his words "If I hit it, it dies" ...just no finesse lol

Originally Posted by whanahuia

@Zedrex

This might be what you are looking for. Ive got my eye on one as a birthday present for my old BRNO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ml-52ElgoHw

You bugger, you've started a process! I'm now at Royal Jaracanda with adjustable comb/LOP, Trueflite sporter barrel with 1:8 or 1:10 twist and I'm thinking a Tikka/Sako action in .243...and about half the cost of a Sako Quest....... #gungoals

Originally Posted by Copelli

I've owned quite a few 'name' and expensive rifles, including a Westley Richards and a Holland & Holland etc.

The bugger is when you buy a 'Grail' gun and for some reason you just don't like it! :-(

Like women, cars, wine and whisky, I've learnt over a lifetime that what one ACTUALLY likes /loves has an indefinable quality, not typically just based on looks or price (although looks do help! :-))

For me, a 'Grail' gun might be a fully engraved Mauser. But my FAVOURITE gun - the one I love the most - is my 1949 BRNO Model 21H in 8x57. I just love the way it feels in the hand and shoots!

And, so far I'm also loving my new Savage 110 Superlight in 7mm PRC! Seems a fantastic rifle.

The moral: enjoyment don't always come from where you think it will.

Just my 2 cents on an interesting topic.

have a 1948 21F 8x57. 8x57 is my favorite caliber for Kansas whitetail. This Brno has sent a lot of deer to the freezer in the garage.
Mike

Hmmm... A Sako L461/Steyr Mannlicher .222 with a nice 6x42mm Swarovski Habicht on top, leather sling.

Originally Posted by Jt89

Hmmm... A Sako L461/Steyr Mannlicher .222 with a nice 6x42mm Swarovski Habicht on top, leather sling.

be carefull with those light Steyr Mannlicher wooden stocked very easy to snap thru pistol grip rather slim

Originally Posted by yamoon

have a 1948 21F 8x57. 8x57 is my favorite caliber for Kansas whitetail. This Brno has sent a lot of deer to the freezer in the garage.
Mike

I have a similar one in 7x57, can't beat them!!!

Originally Posted by Zedrex

I like the idea of implied "confidence" behind a single shot.....but I like the idea of having a follow up shot ready just in case......

Started with an old Marlin uncle gave dad.
Mag missing so forced into single shot.
I guess it forced us to be accurate but I think the practice we got was the key to good shooting and age on our side.
First .22 I owned was Stirling semi auto, scoped, 15 shot mags which tells what needs needed to be met.
All bolt action repeaters now.